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That's not the kind anyone means anymore, at least when it comes up in relation to the US Senate. They generally don't actually filibuster, they place a procedu

That's not the kind anyone means anymore, at least when it comes up in relation to the US Senate. They generally don't actually filibuster, they place a procedural hold that requires 60 members to agree to override it.

lumost 4y ago
This is where the insanity really started. It used to require 8-20 senators to physically filibuster to actually kill a bill. On a major bill, the small number of senators also risked reputational harm from the sound bites of them reading their phone books. Now anyone can start a filibuster, it largely goes unrecorded - and pressure for party unity prevents it from being killed.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  So it sounds like it's an even smaller minority rule now?
  - lumost 4y ago
    You could have a single senator block the entire senate from delivering anything. The only back stop on this is whether a party would kick out a miss behaving senator or primary them.
    - lazide 4y ago
      Eh kinda - it’s that way because everyone wants the rules to be that way. A large enough majority can just change the rules. It isn’t that hard to actually do. But they prefer it this way.
  - sanderjd 4y ago
    Yep, during the Obama administration, Sen. Ted Cruz famously shut down the government for awhile, nearly by himself, pissing everybody on both sides off, except for the small number of people who vote in Republican primaries, who ate it up.
    - listenallyall 4y ago
      In an effort to provide balance, I'll point out that months before Cruz's stunt, Wendy Davis, a Texas state senator, filibustered for about 11 hours to prevent a vote on an abortion bill. > people who vote in Republican primaries, who ate it up. To the best of my knowledge nobody made a movie about Cruz's speech. Davis's speech, on the other hand, became the subject of a documentary debuting at SXSW: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2022/03/09/documentary-chronicling-wendy-davis--13-hour-filibuster-to-premier-at-sxsw https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2022/03/09/docu...
      - sanderjd 4y ago
        I honestly don't understand what point you're making.

lumost 4y ago

This is where the insanity really started. It used to require 8-20 senators to physically filibuster to actually kill a bill. On a major bill, the small number of senators also risked reputational harm from the sound bites of them reading their phone books. Now anyone can start a filibuster, it largely goes unrecorded - and pressure for party unity prevents it from being killed.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
So it sounds like it's an even smaller minority rule now?
- lumost 4y ago
  You could have a single senator block the entire senate from delivering anything. The only back stop on this is whether a party would kick out a miss behaving senator or primary them.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Eh kinda - it’s that way because everyone wants the rules to be that way. A large enough majority can just change the rules. It isn’t that hard to actually do. But they prefer it this way.
- sanderjd 4y ago
  Yep, during the Obama administration, Sen. Ted Cruz famously shut down the government for awhile, nearly by himself, pissing everybody on both sides off, except for the small number of people who vote in Republican primaries, who ate it up.
  - listenallyall 4y ago
    In an effort to provide balance, I'll point out that months before Cruz's stunt, Wendy Davis, a Texas state senator, filibustered for about 11 hours to prevent a vote on an abortion bill. > people who vote in Republican primaries, who ate it up. To the best of my knowledge nobody made a movie about Cruz's speech. Davis's speech, on the other hand, became the subject of a documentary debuting at SXSW: https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2022/03/09/documentary-chronicling-wendy-davis--13-hour-filibuster-to-premier-at-sxsw https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/austin/news/2022/03/09/docu...
    - sanderjd 4y ago
      I honestly don't understand what point you're making.