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Once a machine takes your job basically you have 0 recourse. Going back to school costs 100k+, going back for an MS costs roughly 1 million with 6-8 years of sc
by shams93 3y ago
Once a machine takes your job basically you have 0 recourse. Going back to school costs 100k+, going back for an MS costs roughly 1 million with 6-8 years of school. Even without AI the way we charge our people for healthcare and education is upending everything. In the US your human rights are tied to employment, once you lose your job you have no more rights because without money you are basically paralyzed.
- unsupp0rted 3y agoAnyway it makes no sense to go back for a Masters. By the time you're done a semester or two a machine will have taken your next career.
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- olddustytrail 3y agoThe cost is irrelevant. What could you learn in 12 months that an AI couldn't learn in 12 hours (or 12 seconds a couple of generations later)?
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoSomething that no other human knows. Isn't that what college is about, broadening existing knowledge?
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- rcme 3y agoSure, but once you learn that new thing, an AI can learn it too and apply the knowledge more efficiently than you can.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoRight, which is why we need more humans learning new things: so the AI's can be even more useful.
- rcme 3y agoI don't think you can really call "learning new things for the AI" recourse for an AI taking your job. Can you feed your family with new ideas?
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoIf they're the only thing in short supply--given that the AIs are superior at everything else--then yes I suppose I can. And if it doesn't turn out that way, we can always eat the rich until it does.
- JohnFen 3y ago> so the AI's can be even more useful. That's an utterly depressing thought. It means we're slaves.
- pixl97 3y agoYou're already a slave to many things, you just accept them as status quo.
- JohnFen 3y agoWell, if you expand the definition of "slave" enough, I suppose so. But in reality, I have plenty of choice and freedom. If the only way I can live, though, is to feed my ideas to a master AI, then I really am a slave. I would argue that such a life is not worth the effort.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoWhen you had to put your ideas on paper to be paid for them, did you feel like a slave to paper? Do you feel like a slave to hypertext and markdown? Publishing as contributions towards weights in a statistical model isn't significantly different. It's just easier to query.
- digging 3y agoonly in an abstract, idealistic sense. in reality, it is about developing job skills for certain classes of jobs.
- Arainach 3y agoDoctoral-level, perhaps. Undergraduate work generally is not. It broadens an individual's knowledge and develops skills related to how to problem solve and learn, but the vast majority of undergraduate degrees will not involve broadening humanity's knowledge. I put non-thesis Masters' programs in the same classification.
- hhhrmmm322 3y agoNope. It's mostly about maintaining the class structure, and at least at first this was openly the goal, we've just done a good job starting to pretend that isn't what it is about within the past 60 years or so. Research still happened before all that, it was just funded directly by a patron, which is actually kind of how trying to get a grant works today.
- olddustytrail 3y agoYou had a pretty amazing college! Well, or...
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoI actually kind of detest my local college--as colleges go. But not enough to move, so I make do. What I lack in quality I make up for in quantity. Been going for 15 years (mostly just a class or two at a time). It's fun.
- ChatGTP 3y agoSomeone else made an interesting point that an AI models are like a ratchet, once it knows how to do something, it never forgets, so every new skill it learns it masters, meanwhile you will probably slowly get worse.l if you’re not on your game 24/7. It’s a kind of shit thought but I guess this is progress!?
- Jtsummers 3y agoWhat masters programs take 6-8 years and a million dollars? If you spent that much time on a masters you're finishing it part time. If you spent that much money, you got conned.
- hhhrmmm322 3y agoI think they meant if you didn't have a relevant bachelor's to go straight into the masters. Given we can't predict which bachelor's (or master's for that matter) is going to be rendered completely obsolete by technology, it's a valid concern. You wont necessarily be able to use your BS in CS to just immediately hop into an MBA program.
- Jtsummers 3y agoGiven that, it's still not going to cost $1 million for a BS + MS. Even taking 8 years for both, you're looking at around $800k at the most expensive programs and those are rarely worth entertaining when very good and affordable state programs exist for half or even a tenth the cost.
- isoprophlex 3y agoOpportunity cost for a tech worker to learn something new from scratch?
- BobbyJo 3y agoIf your old job is gone, your opportunity cost is not your old salary, it's your potential new salary. Likely a lot less.
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- toxicFork 3y ago- the machine will not take your job at every company - a human using a machine is better than only the machine - it doesn't take that much to be retrained these days, there's a lot of resources out there - maybe they will actually care about rights of people without tying things to being rich or employed? - can always cross the border to Mexico