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It's outrageous that once a great OS builder, is now resorting to pushing it's subscription services through it's OS. Imagine MacOS and iOS showing in menu ads,

by websap 3y ago

It's outrageous that once a great OS builder, is now resorting to pushing it's subscription services through it's OS. Imagine MacOS and iOS showing in menu ads, I hope Apple never stoops to this level.

dustyharddrive 3y ago
Apple’s nearly there.
Marsymars 3y ago
In my day-to-day usage, ads in the core user interface in iOS are worse than in Windows. Windows ads can be disabled pretty easily. iOS App Store ads cannot be disabled at all and are often for utter trash. The Microsoft Store is entirely optional, and app installs/updates can be entirely handled via winget/chocolatey (or installs in some other form). The iOS App Store cannot be avoided for installing apps or for manually updating apps, and its ads are more akin to forced ads in the Windows Update settings pane.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  ...ads in the core user interface in iOS... Where are you seeing ads in the main UI? I occasionally see a small ad near the top of "Settings", usually for an Apple service. I don't recall ads on the home page or lock screen, or in the main Apple apps I use (Camera, Photos, Files, Health, Fitness, Watch).
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    See my reply to other child comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35615479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35615479
  - sleepybrett 3y ago
    The only time you get those notifications is generally when you install a new os version and they want to tell you about a new feature. That feature might be 'hey we launched apple news that you can pay for'. The only other time is when you are close to your apple cloud limit it will tell you that you can subscribe to more space.
  - mshroyer 3y ago
    Well on my work Mac I'm not signed into iCloud, and there's a permanent red notification dot, just as prominent as if I had an important system update waiting, begging me to create an account.
- dustedcodes 3y ago
  > ads in the core user interface in iOS I have never seen any ads anywhere in iOS. I'm utterly confused by this comment?
  - Marsymars 3y ago
    I consider the App Store in iOS part of the core user interface. (As mentioned in my top-level comment, apps can't be installed or manually updated without using the App Store.) See https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-app-store-ads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-ap...
    - quenix 3y ago
      That seems a bit unreasonable 1. The App Store is not a "core UI element"; 2. Even if it was, it's reasonable to see ads in a _store_. It's somewhere you go specifically in order to buy things and see companies' offerings. It's in the name -- a store. Like others have pointed out, no other portions of the OOB experience have ads.
      - Marsymars 3y ago
        Those points are both matters of opinion, with which I do not agree. (The first one doesn't particularly matter, because I'm forced to use the iOS App Store regardless of how you classify it, the second of which I forcefully disagree with - I am opposed to any ads that I cannot opt out of seeing. I don't go to the store to see ads, I go to download exactly the apps I want, and to update apps I already have installed - in both of those situations ads are unavoidable.) (And other portions of the OOB experience do have ads - as noted in my link, both the News and Stock apps, although I don't use either. And apparently soon the Maps app if it doesn't have ads already.)
        antiframe 3y ago
        So in your opinion seeing an advertisement for an app on an app store is much worse than seeing an ad in your app launcher UI that you click on every time you go to launch an app?
belltaco 3y ago
Mac OS is already there and arguably worse. It shows a fake red notification to make you sign into iCloud and doesn't go away till you do. https://i.stack.imgur.com/OqNzj.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/OqNzj.png
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  Iirc, you can click start using and then cancel it to clear the notification. Also, if you signed in at some point and later sign out, the notification doesn’t appear. My work machine isn’t connected to an iCloud account.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
When were they ever a great OS builder? It was always mediocre at best, and that not very often. For many years, I had hoped they'd pull an apple and run linux under the hood with a graphic shell that made it look like Windows. But times have moved on, and it will never again be an important enough product for them to fix in that manner now.
- jm4 3y ago
  I'm not a Windows user anymore, but I think you're selling them short. Windows has been a very good OS for 20+ years. If you think it's bad now, you should have seen it during the Windows 95/98/ME era. Around 2000-ish, they started getting serious about security and they began the conversion of their mainstream OS to the NT kernel. Since then it's been rock solid and the backwards compatibility is second to none. It's really just the shitty UI more than anything else. The ads and paid placement are an embarrassment, and they still have an inconsistent UI going back to Windows 8. I guess you could throw in telemetry too. I have just as many gripes about MacOS - probably more. I have really disliked that OS for several years now. I feel like I have to conform to it rather than have it work for me. These days, I'm a happy Linux user. It's not perfect, but it's the best of the big 3 for me.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    The shitty UI, the lack of a tolerable shell (Powershell isn't). It's difficult to get a clear picture of what processes are running if it starts behaving sketchy. These things make it mediocre. Sure, it's not the dumpsterfire filled with radioactive cobalt that it was back in 1995 or so when I started using it... but if that's the best it can say, it's sort of like Cleveland's "At least we're not Detroit!" tourism campaign. > I have just as many gripes about MacOS Me too, as far as that goes. Not a fanboy. But it's tolerable, and I'm mostly too lazy to get a linux install up to a point where it wouldn't make me want to tear my hair out. If someone could do that for me, I'd definitely like it better than Mac. Just too far down the list of priorities for me I guess.
    - jm4 3y ago
ragazzina 3y ago
iOS already shows ads in the Settings menu.
deafpolygon 3y ago
> Imagine MacOS and iOS showing in menu ads, Apple does this.

by websap 3y ago

dustyharddrive 3y ago

Apple’s nearly there.

Marsymars 3y ago

In my day-to-day usage, ads in the core user interface in iOS are worse than in Windows. Windows ads can be disabled pretty easily. iOS App Store ads cannot be disabled at all and are often for utter trash. The Microsoft Store is entirely optional, and app installs/updates can be entirely handled via winget/chocolatey (or installs in some other form). The iOS App Store cannot be avoided for installing apps or for manually updating apps, and its ads are more akin to forced ads in the Windows Update settings pane.

alistairSH 3y ago
...ads in the core user interface in iOS... Where are you seeing ads in the main UI? I occasionally see a small ad near the top of "Settings", usually for an Apple service. I don't recall ads on the home page or lock screen, or in the main Apple apps I use (Camera, Photos, Files, Health, Fitness, Watch).
- Marsymars 3y ago
  See my reply to other child comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35615479 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35615479
- sleepybrett 3y ago
  The only time you get those notifications is generally when you install a new os version and they want to tell you about a new feature. That feature might be 'hey we launched apple news that you can pay for'. The only other time is when you are close to your apple cloud limit it will tell you that you can subscribe to more space.
- mshroyer 3y ago
  Well on my work Mac I'm not signed into iCloud, and there's a permanent red notification dot, just as prominent as if I had an important system update waiting, begging me to create an account.
dustedcodes 3y ago
> ads in the core user interface in iOS I have never seen any ads anywhere in iOS. I'm utterly confused by this comment?
- Marsymars 3y ago
  I consider the App Store in iOS part of the core user interface. (As mentioned in my top-level comment, apps can't be installed or manually updated without using the App Store.) See https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-app-store-ads/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-ap...
  - quenix 3y ago
    That seems a bit unreasonable 1. The App Store is not a "core UI element"; 2. Even if it was, it's reasonable to see ads in a _store_. It's somewhere you go specifically in order to buy things and see companies' offerings. It's in the name -- a store. Like others have pointed out, no other portions of the OOB experience have ads.
    - Marsymars 3y ago
      Those points are both matters of opinion, with which I do not agree. (The first one doesn't particularly matter, because I'm forced to use the iOS App Store regardless of how you classify it, the second of which I forcefully disagree with - I am opposed to any ads that I cannot opt out of seeing. I don't go to the store to see ads, I go to download exactly the apps I want, and to update apps I already have installed - in both of those situations ads are unavoidable.) (And other portions of the OOB experience do have ads - as noted in my link, both the News and Stock apps, although I don't use either. And apparently soon the Maps app if it doesn't have ads already.)
      - antiframe 3y ago
        So in your opinion seeing an advertisement for an app on an app store is much worse than seeing an ad in your app launcher UI that you click on every time you go to launch an app?

belltaco 3y ago

Mac OS is already there and arguably worse. It shows a fake red notification to make you sign into iCloud and doesn't go away till you do. https://i.stack.imgur.com/OqNzj.png https://i.stack.imgur.com/OqNzj.png

kayodelycaon 3y ago
Iirc, you can click start using and then cancel it to clear the notification. Also, if you signed in at some point and later sign out, the notification doesn’t appear. My work machine isn’t connected to an iCloud account.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

When were they ever a great OS builder? It was always mediocre at best, and that not very often. For many years, I had hoped they'd pull an apple and run linux under the hood with a graphic shell that made it look like Windows. But times have moved on, and it will never again be an important enough product for them to fix in that manner now.

jm4 3y ago
I'm not a Windows user anymore, but I think you're selling them short. Windows has been a very good OS for 20+ years. If you think it's bad now, you should have seen it during the Windows 95/98/ME era. Around 2000-ish, they started getting serious about security and they began the conversion of their mainstream OS to the NT kernel. Since then it's been rock solid and the backwards compatibility is second to none. It's really just the shitty UI more than anything else. The ads and paid placement are an embarrassment, and they still have an inconsistent UI going back to Windows 8. I guess you could throw in telemetry too. I have just as many gripes about MacOS - probably more. I have really disliked that OS for several years now. I feel like I have to conform to it rather than have it work for me. These days, I'm a happy Linux user. It's not perfect, but it's the best of the big 3 for me.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  The shitty UI, the lack of a tolerable shell (Powershell isn't). It's difficult to get a clear picture of what processes are running if it starts behaving sketchy. These things make it mediocre. Sure, it's not the dumpsterfire filled with radioactive cobalt that it was back in 1995 or so when I started using it... but if that's the best it can say, it's sort of like Cleveland's "At least we're not Detroit!" tourism campaign. > I have just as many gripes about MacOS Me too, as far as that goes. Not a fanboy. But it's tolerable, and I'm mostly too lazy to get a linux install up to a point where it wouldn't make me want to tear my hair out. If someone could do that for me, I'd definitely like it better than Mac. Just too far down the list of priorities for me I guess.
  - jm4 3y ago

ragazzina 3y ago

iOS already shows ads in the Settings menu.

deafpolygon 3y ago

> Imagine MacOS and iOS showing in menu ads, Apple does this.