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This uses some awfully passive language about how the app came to be installed. Did the officers install it themselves from the list of approved apps, or did so

by bragr 4y ago

This uses some awfully passive language about how the app came to be installed. Did the officers install it themselves from the list of approved apps, or did someone push it down onto a bunch of devices? If the officers installed it themselves, that somewhat discredits the idea the individual police officers had no idea.

quijoteuniv 4y ago
This seems all a bit of a joke. They are now pretending they did not know, they apologise and thats it. Not on mayor media either… hopeless
- dewclin 4y ago
  > Not on major media either… Guardian have something: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/surrey-and-sussex-police-unlawfully-recorded-phone-calls-through-app-watchdog-finds https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/surrey-and-s...
- darreninthenet 4y ago
  As well as the Guardian link somebody else has posted, the BBC are reporting it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65309114 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65309114 And it was a story on the news section of the radio station (Classic FM, a nationwide one) I am listening to just now
maerF0x0 4y ago
And should be treated as a pretty major policy gap in policing... Officers should not be using BYOD, they work with far to sensitive of data both in the sense of leaking what they're working on (giving privy folks a preview to investigations), but also leaking "customer" (the public's) sensitive data to those without authorization.
- caiusdurling 4y ago
  They likely have work issued mobile phones, I know my local force does that. Edit: reading the judgement shows the phones were issued by the force: > While it is acknowledged that the App was downloaded onto officially provided encrypted mobile devices, evidence was provided during the investigation to indicate that copies of call recordings had been manually transferred onto removable media
pjc50 4y ago
Misconduct involving police is described in the passive voice. The pinnacle of which is "officer-involved shooting".
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- skrtskrt 4y ago
  "bystanders were struck by bullets as police responded"
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  It works great for deflecting responsibility from police
Zigurd 4y ago
Considering the discretion police can exercise, which is in practice far greater than laws would suggest, knowing who the individuals involved in such decisions is even more important. Keeping bad decision makers out of positions of responsibility is crucial to competent policing.

by bragr 4y ago

quijoteuniv 4y ago

This seems all a bit of a joke. They are now pretending they did not know, they apologise and thats it. Not on mayor media either… hopeless

dewclin 4y ago
> Not on major media either… Guardian have something: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/surrey-and-sussex-police-unlawfully-recorded-phone-calls-through-app-watchdog-finds https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/surrey-and-s...
darreninthenet 4y ago
As well as the Guardian link somebody else has posted, the BBC are reporting it: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65309114 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65309114 And it was a story on the news section of the radio station (Classic FM, a nationwide one) I am listening to just now

maerF0x0 4y ago

And should be treated as a pretty major policy gap in policing... Officers should not be using BYOD, they work with far to sensitive of data both in the sense of leaking what they're working on (giving privy folks a preview to investigations), but also leaking "customer" (the public's) sensitive data to those without authorization.

caiusdurling 4y ago
They likely have work issued mobile phones, I know my local force does that. Edit: reading the judgement shows the phones were issued by the force: > While it is acknowledged that the App was downloaded onto officially provided encrypted mobile devices, evidence was provided during the investigation to indicate that copies of call recordings had been manually transferred onto removable media

pjc50 4y ago

Misconduct involving police is described in the passive voice. The pinnacle of which is "officer-involved shooting".

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skrtskrt 4y ago
"bystanders were struck by bullets as police responded"
kevviiinn 4y ago
It works great for deflecting responsibility from police

Zigurd 4y ago

Considering the discretion police can exercise, which is in practice far greater than laws would suggest, knowing who the individuals involved in such decisions is even more important. Keeping bad decision makers out of positions of responsibility is crucial to competent policing.