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Are you being serious? > You're conflating electrons and electromagnetic radiation. Isn’t that one of the main points of quantum physics? Light does apply pr

Are you being serious? > You're conflating electrons and electromagnetic radiation. Isn’t that one of the main points of quantum physics? Light does apply pressure. Also photon exists?

CyberDildonics 4y ago
Isn’t that one of the main points of quantum physics? Do you think quantum mechanics says that light is made up of electrons? That would be like saying sound and water are the exact same thing because water going through a hose makes sound. Light does apply pressure. On the other hand, no it doesn't. If you shine light into a tube, it doesn't fill up with light until the tube blows apart. This is what is being talked about in this thread, so try to understand that context. Also photon exists? Are you asking if photons exist? Electromagnetic radiation is magnitude of frequencies over time. There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > On the other hand, no it doesn't. If you shine light into a tube, it doesn't fill up with light until the tube blows apart. This is what is being talked about in this thread, so try to understand that context. I don't see what that proves. If you pour water or CO2 or whatever into a normal tube, it doesn't fill up until the tube blows apart, it overflows. And you can easily show those fluids exert pressure. To blow up a tube you need to have enough pressure at the fill valve. And if you do that, you can blow up a tube with light. It just happens to be hard to concentrate light that much.
  - CyberDildonics 4y ago
    Are you sure you are following the context of this thread, where pressure finds the path of least resistance? you can blow up a tube with light. Show me an experiment where light exerts itself physically on other light through being constrained to the extent that it finds the path of least resistance. Really, this is the epitome of a hacker news discussion where there is something reasonable being twisted into absolute nonsense with excessively convoluted arguments.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      I really don't understand what you're trying to argue. You can't just pour electrons into something and blow it up either. So what does it prove that you can't pour photons into a tube to blow it up? If you want the analogy to electrical flow then it's not trying to blow things up, it's having different sized holes for light to go through, and some scattering in the nodes. Also my edit to the previous post was late so I'll move it here: > There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths. Sound is carried by individual particles. Light is quantized (aka packets) unless you happen to have an alternate explanation for the ultraviolet catastrophe?
      - CyberDildonics 4y ago
        If you push electrical pressure into a capacitor, it blows up. If you push too much voltage (pressure) into a battery, it blows up. Sound is carried by individual particles. Electricity is carried by a conductor like copper, but electricity is not copper and sound is not a particle. Electromagnetic radiation is magnitude of frequencies over time. There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation This whole thread is about finding the path of least resistance in a pragmatic sense, not some abstract theory that you can't demonstrate. Even the wikipedia article talks about 'light particles' as an 'alternate view with no mass'.
        Dylan16807 4y ago
        If you have a sufficient strong source that pushes, yes you can blow things up. That's true of light too. Not just shining in a weak source indefinitely. You need a powerful source. Just like with electricity or fluids. They behave the same. Photons have no rest mass which is extra abstract. They do have mass, and them having mass is not abstract. And you didn't explain how to resolve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe without discrete packets.
- RyEgswuCsn 4y ago
  > Do you think quantum mechanics says that light is made up of electrons? No, only that electrons can exhibit light-like behaviours (e.g. interference patterns). Light and pressure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure

Are you being serious? > You're conflating electrons and electromagnetic radiation. Isn’t that one of the main points of quantum physics? Light does apply pressure. Also photon exists?

CyberDildonics 4y ago

Isn’t that one of the main points of quantum physics? Do you think quantum mechanics says that light is made up of electrons? That would be like saying sound and water are the exact same thing because water going through a hose makes sound. Light does apply pressure. On the other hand, no it doesn't. If you shine light into a tube, it doesn't fill up with light until the tube blows apart. This is what is being talked about in this thread, so try to understand that context. Also photon exists? Are you asking if photons exist? Electromagnetic radiation is magnitude of frequencies over time. There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths.

Dylan16807 4y ago
> On the other hand, no it doesn't. If you shine light into a tube, it doesn't fill up with light until the tube blows apart. This is what is being talked about in this thread, so try to understand that context. I don't see what that proves. If you pour water or CO2 or whatever into a normal tube, it doesn't fill up until the tube blows apart, it overflows. And you can easily show those fluids exert pressure. To blow up a tube you need to have enough pressure at the fill valve. And if you do that, you can blow up a tube with light. It just happens to be hard to concentrate light that much.
- CyberDildonics 4y ago
  Are you sure you are following the context of this thread, where pressure finds the path of least resistance? you can blow up a tube with light. Show me an experiment where light exerts itself physically on other light through being constrained to the extent that it finds the path of least resistance. Really, this is the epitome of a hacker news discussion where there is something reasonable being twisted into absolute nonsense with excessively convoluted arguments.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    I really don't understand what you're trying to argue. You can't just pour electrons into something and blow it up either. So what does it prove that you can't pour photons into a tube to blow it up? If you want the analogy to electrical flow then it's not trying to blow things up, it's having different sized holes for light to go through, and some scattering in the nodes. Also my edit to the previous post was late so I'll move it here: > There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths. Sound is carried by individual particles. Light is quantized (aka packets) unless you happen to have an alternate explanation for the ultraviolet catastrophe?
    - CyberDildonics 4y ago
      If you push electrical pressure into a capacitor, it blows up. If you push too much voltage (pressure) into a battery, it blows up. Sound is carried by individual particles. Electricity is carried by a conductor like copper, but electricity is not copper and sound is not a particle. Electromagnetic radiation is magnitude of frequencies over time. There are no individual packets of light just like there are no individual packets of sounds. Photons are a useful idea in simulations because you need to sample specific paths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation This whole thread is about finding the path of least resistance in a pragmatic sense, not some abstract theory that you can't demonstrate. Even the wikipedia article talks about 'light particles' as an 'alternate view with no mass'.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        If you have a sufficient strong source that pushes, yes you can blow things up. That's true of light too. Not just shining in a weak source indefinitely. You need a powerful source. Just like with electricity or fluids. They behave the same. Photons have no rest mass which is extra abstract. They do have mass, and them having mass is not abstract. And you didn't explain how to resolve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet_catastrophe without discrete packets.
RyEgswuCsn 4y ago
> Do you think quantum mechanics says that light is made up of electrons? No, only that electrons can exhibit light-like behaviours (e.g. interference patterns). Light and pressure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure