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My rule of thumb is that if something sounds completely evil and it exactly conforms to a political stereotype, there must be more to the story. The article it

My rule of thumb is that if something sounds completely evil and it exactly conforms to a political stereotype, there must be more to the story. The article itself is somewhat thin on the details. Would anyone who knows more about the situation be able to give some nuance? I have a feeling this is brinkmanship at play.

Daishiman 3y ago
Sometimes it really is though, and the Republican party has been openly performing actions like this straight out of fascist playbooks.
thepasswordis 3y ago
Yes, see my linked article elsewhere in the thread. The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids, the republicans said if they did that they would try to pull their funding, and the libraries called them on it.
- Jwarder 3y ago
  Because we all know that banning photo books that include that statue of David protects your children.
  - thepasswordis 3y ago
    The basic chain of events is: Teachers wanted to have books like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd5VUhMrF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd5VUhMrF4 available in classrooms (this is on the MO 'banned books' list). Parents (obviously) objected to this, but the teachers/librarians dug their heels in. Due to a loss of trust, parents started demanding oversight into everything that the schools/libraries were making available, and that's how you end up with absolutely crazy things like banning photos of the statue of David.
    - saalweachter 3y ago
      TLDW: Erika Moen (web cartoonist) wrote a book called "Let's Talk About It: The Teen's Guide to Sex, Relationships and Being Human"; in the chapter on sexting she advises teens that pictures they send to people can never be deleted and therefore they should crop out their faces and any identifying birthmarks, etc, before sending one. A concerned parent read this passage at a school board meeting to protest this books inclusion in the library. Hilarity ensues.
    - positron6000 3y ago
      but this is about public libraries, not school libraries. also, the linked video is from Alaska, not Missouri.
- slater 3y ago
  "The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids" I couldn't find that mentioned anywhere in the linked article...?
  - thepasswordis 3y ago
    https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-rule-to-block-missouri-library-funding-set-to-go-into-effect-may-30/article_2f11c261-112b-5bd1-8b87-912ff9561adf.html https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-ru...
- positron6000 3y ago
  > libraries wanted to make porn available to kids this is an extremely bad faith interpretation of librarians upholding the first amendment.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids Assuming that you consider every single one of the titles on this list to be “porn”, but while many of them might be dubiously appropriate for (especially young) children, I don’t think very many of them meet any reasonable definition of “porn”. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AVW8q-B4uSZIJ3mLqc5tY8DZyojI1KLIVBQzSCb7lbg/edit#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AVW8q-B4uSZIJ3mLqc5t...
- Forgeties79 3y ago
  > The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids I see you skipped the “nuance” part of the request.
farmaway 3y ago
I'm an American who leans politically center-right. Here's my opinionated perspective on this issue. In recent years, public libraries across the US and UK have hosted a number of Drag Queen Story Hours. These are events where men dressed as sexual parodies of women read books to young children. Sometimes the men dance provocatively for the kids, or wear revealing outfits, or have kids climb all over them: https://alphanews.org/drag-queen-flashes-crotch-to-children-in-minnetonka-who-will-fight-back/ https://alphanews.org/drag-queen-flashes-crotch-to-children-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA72t7o24I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA72t7o24I https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Drag_queen_child_abuse.pdf https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Drag... Several performers and sponsors of these events have turned out to be sex offenders: https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-libra... https://reduxx.info/drag-queen-charged-with-25-counts-of-felony-child-sexual-abuse-material-possession/ https://reduxx.info/drag-queen-charged-with-25-counts-of-fel... https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/second-drag-queen-story-hour-library-reader-exposed-as-convicted-child-sex-offender/ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/second-drag-queen-story-ho... Across the pond, the founder of Drag Queen Story Hour UK has tweeted "love has no age" and openly associates with pedophiles: https://thepostmillennial.com/founder-of-uk-drag-queen-story-hour-raises-funds-for-pedophile-drag-performers-funeral https://thepostmillennial.com/founder-of-uk-drag-queen-story... At the same time, "child-friendly" and "all-ages" drag shows have popped up at gay bars and clubs across the US. These are often much more sexually provocative than shows hosted in libraries: https://reduxx.info/children-tipped-drag-queens-during-performance-at-adult-bar/ https://reduxx.info/children-tipped-drag-queens-during-perfo... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1543662744616013825 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1543662744616013825 https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1538733481492094977 https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1538733481492094977 Far-left militia armed with AR-15s have shown up at some all-ages shows to "protect" them from protestors. The armed militants in these photos are self-identified anti-fascists: https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2022/08/30/drag-brunch-roanoke-draws-armed-clash https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2022/08/30/drag-brunch-ro... These events have become the focus intense polarization. Republicans say they're sexual performances designed to desensitize kids to advances from adults. Democrats say they're expressions of LGBT pride. There is a growing conservative backlash to "all-ages" or "family-friendly" drag events generally and Drag Queen Story Hour in particular. Many parents are uncomfortable with the sexual displays aimed at children. Some women see drag as sexual blackface. This backlash is framed by Democrats as opposition to drag shows in general, which generally speaking is untrue. It is the targeting of young children that aggravates conservatives. Librarians host these events in taxpayer-funded venues. The elected government of the state of Missouri seeks to limit this practice.

Daishiman 3y ago

Sometimes it really is though, and the Republican party has been openly performing actions like this straight out of fascist playbooks.

thepasswordis 3y ago

Yes, see my linked article elsewhere in the thread. The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids, the republicans said if they did that they would try to pull their funding, and the libraries called them on it.

Jwarder 3y ago
Because we all know that banning photo books that include that statue of David protects your children.
- thepasswordis 3y ago
  The basic chain of events is: Teachers wanted to have books like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd5VUhMrF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd5VUhMrF4 available in classrooms (this is on the MO 'banned books' list). Parents (obviously) objected to this, but the teachers/librarians dug their heels in. Due to a loss of trust, parents started demanding oversight into everything that the schools/libraries were making available, and that's how you end up with absolutely crazy things like banning photos of the statue of David.
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    TLDW: Erika Moen (web cartoonist) wrote a book called "Let's Talk About It: The Teen's Guide to Sex, Relationships and Being Human"; in the chapter on sexting she advises teens that pictures they send to people can never be deleted and therefore they should crop out their faces and any identifying birthmarks, etc, before sending one. A concerned parent read this passage at a school board meeting to protest this books inclusion in the library. Hilarity ensues.
  - positron6000 3y ago
    but this is about public libraries, not school libraries. also, the linked video is from Alaska, not Missouri.
slater 3y ago
"The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids" I couldn't find that mentioned anywhere in the linked article...?
- thepasswordis 3y ago
  https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-rule-to-block-missouri-library-funding-set-to-go-into-effect-may-30/article_2f11c261-112b-5bd1-8b87-912ff9561adf.html https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/new-ru...
positron6000 3y ago
> libraries wanted to make porn available to kids this is an extremely bad faith interpretation of librarians upholding the first amendment.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids Assuming that you consider every single one of the titles on this list to be “porn”, but while many of them might be dubiously appropriate for (especially young) children, I don’t think very many of them meet any reasonable definition of “porn”. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AVW8q-B4uSZIJ3mLqc5tY8DZyojI1KLIVBQzSCb7lbg/edit#gid=0 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AVW8q-B4uSZIJ3mLqc5t...
Forgeties79 3y ago
> The libraries wanted to make porn available to kids I see you skipped the “nuance” part of the request.

farmaway 3y ago

I'm an American who leans politically center-right. Here's my opinionated perspective on this issue. In recent years, public libraries across the US and UK have hosted a number of Drag Queen Story Hours. These are events where men dressed as sexual parodies of women read books to young children. Sometimes the men dance provocatively for the kids, or wear revealing outfits, or have kids climb all over them: https://alphanews.org/drag-queen-flashes-crotch-to-children-in-minnetonka-who-will-fight-back/ https://alphanews.org/drag-queen-flashes-crotch-to-children-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA72t7o24I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VA72t7o24I https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Drag_queen_child_abuse.pdf https://www.lifesitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Drag... Several performers and sponsors of these events have turned out to be sex offenders: https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-library-admits-registered-child-sex-offender-participated-in-drag-queen-storytime/285-becf3a0d-56c5-4f3c-96df-add07bbd002a https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/houston-public-libra... https://reduxx.info/drag-queen-charged-with-25-counts-of-felony-child-sexual-abuse-material-possession/ https://reduxx.info/drag-queen-charged-with-25-counts-of-fel... https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/second-drag-queen-story-hour-library-reader-exposed-as-convicted-child-sex-offender/ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/second-drag-queen-story-ho... Across the pond, the founder of Drag Queen Story Hour UK has tweeted "love has no age" and openly associates with pedophiles: https://thepostmillennial.com/founder-of-uk-drag-queen-story-hour-raises-funds-for-pedophile-drag-performers-funeral https://thepostmillennial.com/founder-of-uk-drag-queen-story... At the same time, "child-friendly" and "all-ages" drag shows have popped up at gay bars and clubs across the US. These are often much more sexually provocative than shows hosted in libraries: https://reduxx.info/children-tipped-drag-queens-during-performance-at-adult-bar/ https://reduxx.info/children-tipped-drag-queens-during-perfo... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1543662744616013825 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1543662744616013825 https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1538733481492094977 https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1538733481492094977 Far-left militia armed with AR-15s have shown up at some all-ages shows to "protect" them from protestors. The armed militants in these photos are self-identified anti-fascists: https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2022/08/30/drag-brunch-roanoke-draws-armed-clash https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2022/08/30/drag-brunch-ro... These events have become the focus intense polarization. Republicans say they're sexual performances designed to desensitize kids to advances from adults. Democrats say they're expressions of LGBT pride. There is a growing conservative backlash to "all-ages" or "family-friendly" drag events generally and Drag Queen Story Hour in particular. Many parents are uncomfortable with the sexual displays aimed at children. Some women see drag as sexual blackface. This backlash is framed by Democrats as opposition to drag shows in general, which generally speaking is untrue. It is the targeting of young children that aggravates conservatives. Librarians host these events in taxpayer-funded venues. The elected government of the state of Missouri seeks to limit this practice.