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> Stroll through an engineering office and you are likely to hear the (mostly white, mostly male) denizens making statements like: This racist/sexist stereotyp
by OrvalWintermute 4y ago
> Stroll through an engineering office and you are likely to hear the (mostly white, mostly male) denizens making statements like:
This racist/sexist stereotypical line jumped out in the reading of this article.
I cannot support Micheal Natkin writing pejoratively about groups in this manner.
- vkou 4y agoAre you saying that the author's not allowed to observe that some demographics engage in particular behaviours more frequently than others? I thought that we should strive to be rational, meritocratic, observation and data-driven people...
- gray6 4y ago[dead]
- OrvalWintermute 4y agoI don't think bringing up the author's race or ethnicity is any more positive than what the author did. It kind of brings up this veiled anti-race issue which I think detracts from the conversation. The initial article doesn't pass the smell test, nor does your comment.
- unusualmonkey 4y agoRationale, meritocratic, observation and data driven people can directly make the observations they need, rather than using skin color or gender as a proxy.
- traverseda 4y agoIf someone saw your comment out of context they'd probably assume you were defending some pretty vile shit.
- khazhoux 4y agoBut he presents no evidence! And this in an article about having evidence for your opinions.
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- JoeAltmaier 4y agoAren't engineering offices populated with such people? Is that at issue at all? This page seems to support the statement: https://www.zippia.com/engineer-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/engineer-jobs/demographics/
- 27fingies 4y agoThe statement is absolutely true but the people who have bought into the Woke Mind Virus nonsense are going to cry about it anyway. And then they will use some other statistics that they think will be a justification for making racist statements without understanding why one thing is racist and the other thing isn.
- SpicyLemonZest 4y agoHave you considered that there might instead be a consistent, principled objection towards injecting the author's personal stereotypes of random ethnic groups? A 5 word aside that takes the discussion from analysis corporate culture towards people complaining about other hypothetical people who complain about the "Woke Mind Virus" seems both toxic and ineffective.
- khazhoux 4y agoWhat is your basis for saying it is “absolutely true” that the loud, strongly-held opinions this author is railing against, come mostly from white males? I’m guessing just your personal observation. Would you be shocked to learn my experience has been different?
- 27fingies 4y agoOh grow up. This is pure concern trolling.
- khazhoux 4y ago“Concern trolling” is when someone pretends to be concerned but isn’t actually, and really thinks the opposite. I’ll wager the commenter was legitimately bothered by the statement (as I was). You may disagree with his opinion, but it’s not cool to question his motive.
- 27fingies 4y agoIt’s totally cool to question motives and in fact it’s an important part of understanding why things happen.
- CRConrad 4y ago> It’s totally cool to question motives Oh yeah? OK, in that case: Yours are looking ever increasingly dubious.
- khazhoux 4y agoOn HN I think we expect better, which includes the courtesy to not question each other’s earnestness, and to challenge people’s positions and not their motivations.
- 27fingies 4y agoWell I hate to tell you this but motives are an important piece of how the world works. People don’t think and say things in a vacuum. I am not generous with giving people the benefit of the doubt when their position is in alignment with white supremacists.
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