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You can see flavors of this in the anti-abortion bands where people turn in doctors for providing health care and patients for receiving care. You see this in

You can see flavors of this in the anti-abortion bands where people turn in doctors for providing health care and patients for receiving care. You see this in Florida where they define drag as grooming, grooming as a sex crime, sex crime as punishable by death, and a death penalty by 8 jurors. You also see this in education where student turning in their teachers for history and lesson that don't meet the GOP political standards. So now we see. Now what? Make a buddy. Everything starts with the buddy system. Make a friend and ally in a state under authoritarian control, provide them with the support personally, monetarily, and help them evacuate when necessary.

nverno 3y ago
You can see flavors of in just about any society. That's why Orwell's 1984 is a timeless masterpiece. People on the 'other side' of the political spectrum can list of their own examples. I think the best way to avoid it is to do as the article says and try to avoid ideological thinking.
- lasermike026 3y ago
  Maybe and don't be atomized. Make a buddy. Build communities to protect themselves.
tomohawk 3y ago
Example from Canada. A civil servant did not go along with the struggle session and was fired. https://quillette.com/2023/04/13/a-public-servant-stood-up-for-sex-based-rights-at-a-gender-workshop-and-paid-the-price/ https://quillette.com/2023/04/13/a-public-servant-stood-up-f...
- motohagiography 3y ago
  I was excluded from these specific sessions in more than one government office (who were clients), I assume because my natural wit, presence, and basic personal integrity would have made it impossible for the struggle leader to fully break down the audience. They exploit the agreeableness of the people in the sessions, and whenever I hear about them, I am reminded of the "blue eyes / brown eyes" experiment I studied at an alternative high school, where we were all oddly innoculated to this nonsense because it was effectively tested on us.
thegrimmest 3y ago
I wouldn't equate the obvious overstep of drag policing with the rather more complex issue of abortion. It's not at all clear that "viability" is anything more than a hacky placeholder definition for when human life begins. I personally do agree that abortion should be legal. I can't however help but reach the conclusion that it's still the willful termination of a human life (read: murder). Justifiable murder, but murder nonetheless. I can therefore sympathize with those who hold the view that it should be illegal. Also, re: drag policing, obviously wrong-headed as it is, there seems to be a lot of popular backlash against cultural indoctrination by schools. Schools should endeavour to soberly, objectively teach children about the world, and leave defining right and wrong to parents as much as possible. As much as we may disagree, you should be entitled to raise your child with a racist or homophobic worldview. Trying to correct for this is not the government's job. It's that pesky American individualism again.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  > Schools should endeavour to soberly, objectively teach children about the world, and leave defining right and wrong to parents as much as possible. They are certainly trying, but the sober, objective reality is "Some people dress using gender signifiers counter to the traditional ones for myriad reasons, and almost all of those reasons are harmless." The political friction is coming from the people who think that lesson is, somehow, already too politically charged to share. > you should be entitled to raise your child with a racist or homophobic worldview. Trying to correct for this is not the government's job. That's very thorny "we live in a society" territory because in point of fact, the entire underpinning of public education as an institution is that a democratic society requires a populace educated in the practice of citizenry because they have the collective responsibility / burden / obligation to be citizens. "I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength. 1. that of general education to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom..." [Thomas Jefferson]. That obligation ties into the relatively-new concept of "nations" (as opposed to previous structures of clan / tribe / subject of a king / etc.). And in that context: no, it would not be okay for the public education system to just teach racism, because racism is caustic to the national constitution. When this became apparent during the mid-20th century, the racists in some states temporarily suspended public education. As a useful rule of thumb: always be deeply suspect of those who would claim that topic X is not appropriate to teach at all or, when faced with choosing conservation of what they know vs. allowing public education, would torch the education.
zo1 3y ago
If I as a parent object to a drag show at my kids primary school, I am certainly not doing so to be mean to a trans person or want to deny them from being who they are. Instead, I am denying them a platform to influence my innocent and impressionable child to become that, which in a free society they are welcome to do when they're of age and understand what they want. But I won't allow the possibility that this thing is steering them into an unattural direction. This is indistinguishable from targeted brainwashing and I won't know if it's because they are actually like that, or if it was because they got brainwashed during their early years.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  Yes, woe betide the brainwashing that tells our young people that... They can do whatever they want that is not harmful to others. Definitely not a message we should be inculcating the next generation with, right?
  - zo1 3y ago
    I don't understand what you're saying exactly?
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      The "unnatural direction" that people dressing counter to their gender is steering children in is the knowledge that there are things people can choose to do that are unconventional but ultimately not harmful. It has never caused anybody harm if a stranger has chosen to wear a dress or pants, or apply more or less makeup to themselves. It's not really a bad message. If anything, it's kind of the hacker ethos.

nverno 3y ago

You can see flavors of in just about any society. That's why Orwell's 1984 is a timeless masterpiece. People on the 'other side' of the political spectrum can list of their own examples. I think the best way to avoid it is to do as the article says and try to avoid ideological thinking.

lasermike026 3y ago
Maybe and don't be atomized. Make a buddy. Build communities to protect themselves.

tomohawk 3y ago

Example from Canada. A civil servant did not go along with the struggle session and was fired. https://quillette.com/2023/04/13/a-public-servant-stood-up-for-sex-based-rights-at-a-gender-workshop-and-paid-the-price/ https://quillette.com/2023/04/13/a-public-servant-stood-up-f...

motohagiography 3y ago
I was excluded from these specific sessions in more than one government office (who were clients), I assume because my natural wit, presence, and basic personal integrity would have made it impossible for the struggle leader to fully break down the audience. They exploit the agreeableness of the people in the sessions, and whenever I hear about them, I am reminded of the "blue eyes / brown eyes" experiment I studied at an alternative high school, where we were all oddly innoculated to this nonsense because it was effectively tested on us.

thegrimmest 3y ago

I wouldn't equate the obvious overstep of drag policing with the rather more complex issue of abortion. It's not at all clear that "viability" is anything more than a hacky placeholder definition for when human life begins. I personally do agree that abortion should be legal. I can't however help but reach the conclusion that it's still the willful termination of a human life (read: murder). Justifiable murder, but murder nonetheless. I can therefore sympathize with those who hold the view that it should be illegal. Also, re: drag policing, obviously wrong-headed as it is, there seems to be a lot of popular backlash against cultural indoctrination by schools. Schools should endeavour to soberly, objectively teach children about the world, and leave defining right and wrong to parents as much as possible. As much as we may disagree, you should be entitled to raise your child with a racist or homophobic worldview. Trying to correct for this is not the government's job. It's that pesky American individualism again.

shadowgovt 3y ago
> Schools should endeavour to soberly, objectively teach children about the world, and leave defining right and wrong to parents as much as possible. They are certainly trying, but the sober, objective reality is "Some people dress using gender signifiers counter to the traditional ones for myriad reasons, and almost all of those reasons are harmless." The political friction is coming from the people who think that lesson is, somehow, already too politically charged to share. > you should be entitled to raise your child with a racist or homophobic worldview. Trying to correct for this is not the government's job. That's very thorny "we live in a society" territory because in point of fact, the entire underpinning of public education as an institution is that a democratic society requires a populace educated in the practice of citizenry because they have the collective responsibility / burden / obligation to be citizens. "I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength. 1. that of general education to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom..." [Thomas Jefferson]. That obligation ties into the relatively-new concept of "nations" (as opposed to previous structures of clan / tribe / subject of a king / etc.). And in that context: no, it would not be okay for the public education system to just teach racism, because racism is caustic to the national constitution. When this became apparent during the mid-20th century, the racists in some states temporarily suspended public education. As a useful rule of thumb: always be deeply suspect of those who would claim that topic X is not appropriate to teach at all or, when faced with choosing conservation of what they know vs. allowing public education, would torch the education.

zo1 3y ago

If I as a parent object to a drag show at my kids primary school, I am certainly not doing so to be mean to a trans person or want to deny them from being who they are. Instead, I am denying them a platform to influence my innocent and impressionable child to become that, which in a free society they are welcome to do when they're of age and understand what they want. But I won't allow the possibility that this thing is steering them into an unattural direction. This is indistinguishable from targeted brainwashing and I won't know if it's because they are actually like that, or if it was because they got brainwashed during their early years.

shadowgovt 3y ago
Yes, woe betide the brainwashing that tells our young people that... They can do whatever they want that is not harmful to others. Definitely not a message we should be inculcating the next generation with, right?
- zo1 3y ago
  I don't understand what you're saying exactly?
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    The "unnatural direction" that people dressing counter to their gender is steering children in is the knowledge that there are things people can choose to do that are unconventional but ultimately not harmful. It has never caused anybody harm if a stranger has chosen to wear a dress or pants, or apply more or less makeup to themselves. It's not really a bad message. If anything, it's kind of the hacker ethos.