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I mean philosophically liberal in the original meaning of the term. In that sense, it is tightly linked with individualism. This has nothing to do with current

I mean philosophically liberal in the original meaning of the term. In that sense, it is tightly linked with individualism. This has nothing to do with current American politics.

ericmay 4y ago
Then this comment doesn't make any sense > > The DPRK is probably the most collectivist (least individualistic) large society on the planet, so much so that it terrifies bleeding heart liberals.
- pphysch 4y ago
  I'll break it down for you. Liberals are individualists. It's at the foundation of their worldview and philosophy. This is basic stuff. DPRK is highly illiberal, un-individualistic. Engaging with DPRK culture in good faith means questioning the universality of the Western, liberal worldview. For most people, this is a non-starter (just look at this thread).
  - ericmay 4y ago
    > so much so that it terrifies bleeding heart liberals Can you break this term down for me then?
    - pphysch 4y ago
      "bleeding heart" wasn't the best choice of adjective there, I meant "passionate".
      - ericmay 4y ago
        Sure, but you have to be careful with the terms you use! :) AnimalMuppet gave a good explanation there IMO.
      - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
        Yeah, not the best choice, then. "Bleeding heart" has been used as a slur by (US political) conservatives[1] to attack (US political) liberals. It implied that the liberals suffer from an excess of empathy to the point that it clouds their judgment, or something. Nowadays it's just a slur. You're using "liberal" in a way that differs from standard US political usage, which is all right, especially since you clearly defined what you meant by the term. But "bleeding heart" sounds very US-politics, and seems really weird with your not using liberal in the US politics sense. [1] These "conservatives" would count as liberals by your definition - they still believe in individual rights.
        pphysch 4y ago
        Frankly, I have only heard liberals self-identify as "bleeding heart", and misunderstood its definition. Then again, I don't consume US conservative media. > These "conservatives" would count as liberals by your definition - they still believe in individual rights. Of course. Virtually every faction of US politics is philosophically liberal.
        shrimp_emoji 4y ago
        >Virtually every faction of US politics is philosophically liberal. Based US politics :sunglasses:

I mean philosophically liberal in the original meaning of the term. In that sense, it is tightly linked with individualism. This has nothing to do with current American politics.

ericmay 4y ago

Then this comment doesn't make any sense > > The DPRK is probably the most collectivist (least individualistic) large society on the planet, so much so that it terrifies bleeding heart liberals.

pphysch 4y ago
I'll break it down for you. Liberals are individualists. It's at the foundation of their worldview and philosophy. This is basic stuff. DPRK is highly illiberal, un-individualistic. Engaging with DPRK culture in good faith means questioning the universality of the Western, liberal worldview. For most people, this is a non-starter (just look at this thread).
- ericmay 4y ago
  > so much so that it terrifies bleeding heart liberals Can you break this term down for me then?
  - pphysch 4y ago
    "bleeding heart" wasn't the best choice of adjective there, I meant "passionate".
    - ericmay 4y ago
      Sure, but you have to be careful with the terms you use! :) AnimalMuppet gave a good explanation there IMO.
    - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
      Yeah, not the best choice, then. "Bleeding heart" has been used as a slur by (US political) conservatives[1] to attack (US political) liberals. It implied that the liberals suffer from an excess of empathy to the point that it clouds their judgment, or something. Nowadays it's just a slur. You're using "liberal" in a way that differs from standard US political usage, which is all right, especially since you clearly defined what you meant by the term. But "bleeding heart" sounds very US-politics, and seems really weird with your not using liberal in the US politics sense. [1] These "conservatives" would count as liberals by your definition - they still believe in individual rights.
      - pphysch 4y ago
        Frankly, I have only heard liberals self-identify as "bleeding heart", and misunderstood its definition. Then again, I don't consume US conservative media. > These "conservatives" would count as liberals by your definition - they still believe in individual rights. Of course. Virtually every faction of US politics is philosophically liberal.
        shrimp_emoji 4y ago
        >Virtually every faction of US politics is philosophically liberal. Based US politics :sunglasses: