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Ignore the engineers for now, Google is chock full of product manager. What the hell have they been doing?
by KRAKRISMOTT 4y ago
Ignore the engineers for now, Google is chock full of product manager. What the hell have they been doing?
- rvnx 4y agoMessengers.
- time_to_smile 4y agoGood product people have always been visionary, lead by a strong sense of design and understanding of how to meet the user needs. Product Managers are the modern day bureaucrats created to reduce the individual impact on product and make PMs hot swappable like engineers (who I also think are better when they they have the aforementioned skills). Google should be considered in object lesson in the problems of trying to bureaucratize product creation.
- jack_riminton 4y agoThis nails it (I used to be a PM, now I'm an engineer) The PMs job has become so much about process, that any 'product sense' is completely disregarded because it can't be measured objectively. Truly great products e.g. the original iPhone, rarely have PMs
- marcosdumay 4y agoThe original iPhone did very clearly and famously have a product manager. It was the same person that was also responsible to paper of CEO.
- jack_riminton 4y agoKen Kocienda one of the first engineers working on the iPhone disagrees with you on that https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1529521111104299008?s=20 https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1529521111104299008?s=20
- raverbashing 4y agoDid any innovative product, at its inception, come from a 'product manager'? (especially at google) They have their place in the org, but I don't see much creativity from them.
- adrr 4y agoTrying to figure out what to rename Google Workspaces too. It's been two years, time for a new name. Also working on the next version of instant messenger to replace google meet since it is also a few years old. Maybe we'll see Google Hangouts 2.0.