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DuckDuckGo’s building AI-generated answers into its search engine
- keeganjw 4y agoI like that it's inline with the search results. That's something I don't like about Bing's chat, you either have to search the web or ask chat. It's not as seamless.
- sandworm101 4y agoCan I ask the chat to "please only show me the results that the search engine doesn't want me to see, the stuff that isn't from advertising partners"? I'm going to create a browser plugin to appends that phrase to every search request.
- prh8 4y agoI haven’t used the feature yet, but Kagi has recently added AI into its functionality as well.
- unshavedyak 4y agoOh i'd be really curious how that performs compared to Phind.
- freediver 4y agoSee the benchmarks here: https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#aitest https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#aitest
- bosch_mind 4y agoInteresting to see Bard so high up on the list!
- unshavedyak 4y agoWell shoot, think imma have to sign up to Kagi for a while. Seems a good trial, just like GPT. I already wanted to support them, additional features just sweetens the deal.
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoAs long as there's an off switch, this doesn't bother me.
- berkes 4y agoHow do you know that without having seen it?
- CatWChainsaw 4y agoHow do I know what? That it won't bother me?
- kamranjon 4y agoThis makes me a little uncomfortable. Google started integrating AI into their search engine in 2015 and it's my opinion that in the same timeline their search results have progressively gotten worse. There may not be a connection, but I know that I preferred the results I used to get, and sort of blame their downturn on AI. A search engine is an index, so I find it really important that it functions like one instead of a recommendation engine.
- visarga 4y agoHave you seen the record revenues they made in the last 2 years? [1] It seems to be working very well for what they care about most. [1] https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/266206/googles-annual-global-revenue.jpg https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/266206/googles-annual-glo...
- iamerroragent 4y agoI guess it depends on the interest of the parties concerned. You the consumer would like to have results more closely related to what you wanted. Google (or other company) wants to bring you a result that's more likely to generate revenue for them. For myself, I recall being able to get a Wikipedia in the first or second result. Now it's a bunch of sponsored/ad results and a bunch of shitty bloated websites and no Wikipedia like I wanted. (Of course specifing Wiki in the search fixes this)
- danpalmer 4y agoI'm interested to see how this scales cost effectively, at all the search engines. DuckDuckGo is less profitable I think than Google/Bing, and are paying for API access. Bing appears to be running the models directly on hardware rather than paying for marked-up API access, but it's still expensive. Google seems to be in a good place with their custom chips, but who knows. It'll all be fascinating to see evolve.
- ratg13 4y agoWhat are the custom chips that Google has? This feels like it’s not on my radar.
- philshem 4y agoNot GP, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit
- cronix 4y agoThese have been huge for things like Home Assistant and object detection in real time video processing via Frigate and Google Coral TPU Accelerator. It sure cut down on the false positives I was getting for detecting cars and people coming up my driveway and not deer or my dog walking across it. They're only about $100 and come in M.2 and USB form factors. https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate
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- danpalmer 4y agoIt's the Tensor chips as another commenter mentioned. My feeling is that these should be cheaper in the long run than A100s from Nvidia because you're not paying another company's profit margin, plus they should be able to be more specialised and therefore less wasteful of compute, and therefore cheaper. I guess the counter to this is that if Google is developing them for itself only, then there's fewer economies of scale on the development process.
- beardog 4y ago"AI answers" are a unique opportunity to have actual private "search" so to speak, since you can use LLMs on your own device. I know they are too expensive to be practical for that on phones for now, but hopefully with time Duckduckgo would be able to at least have an option for offline or self hosted mode. Would be a selling point for their app IMO.
- jacooper 4y agoDidn't bing change its index service pricing to be prohibitively expensive for ai powered search engines?
- throwawa14223 4y agoHaving just dropped Kagi in favor of DDG, does anyone have a recommendation for a search engine taking a stand against AI-generated content?
- freediver 4y agoKagi does take a (responsible?) stand: https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-ai-search#philosophy
- throwawa14223 4y agoI'm only interested in products that wholly refuse to use LLMs.
- RoyGBivCap 4y agoAre they still downranking non-mainstream news?
- DrThunder 4y agoUgh just stop. This is a fad and it's not well enough tested for it to be getting pushed out this quickly. I don't want AI in every facet of my life, we're giving up too much control too quickly.
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- iamerroragent 4y agoHow else are they supposed to test without a large number of people using it? How is DuckDuckGo supposed to compete without? How is this not an improvement to search? (presumably whilst still respecting people's privacy)
- throwawa14223 4y agoWhy would you consider a result set that contained AI results useful or legitimate? LLM sure looks to be the end stage of the enshitification of the internet.
- ForHackernews 4y ago> LLM sure looks to be the end stage of the enshitification of the internet. The web is not the internet. Join us! https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ https://gemini.circumlunar.space/
- iamerroragent 4y agoWell if it is learning from my search habits and its results reflect more accurately what I wanted compared to traditional search then I would say that's useful. Not to mention the niceness of more natural language you can use to query.
- DrThunder 4y agoYou're handing the work of sifting through data and determining reliable resources off to an artificial middle man. That's a whole lot of trust you have there. It's only an improvement if you assume that intelligence is very good at what it does and/or has your best interests in mind.
- 0zemp1c 4y agoBrave is also injecting "summaries" into its search results they're harmless I guess...but also mostly irrelevant to what I am searching for most of the time
- mdaniel 4y agoSo they think that's their path to success, versus fixing the facepalm lack of search operators. That makes me so sad
- ysavir 4y agoI think I've gotten to the point I'm ready to drop DuckDuckGo. Recently it's been mixing in region-based results in to my search engine. These are results that have nothing to do with my search query, and go against the reason I started using DDG in the first place: non-personalized results and not leaking private information (such as location) to the search service. Seems like their old core values are no longer their primary concern. I don't know of any decent alternatives yet, but I'll be keeping an eye out, and am happy to get any suggestions people have.
- Dwedit 4y agoThose are the ads. That's their revenue source.
- boomboomsubban 4y agoThey aren't labeled ads, and it seems incredibly strange that my local chamber of commerce would be buying ads for random lyrics from a song I forgot the name of.
- vanilla_nut 4y agoI feel similarly. The other problem I'm experiencing: extremely slow search page loads, both on desktop and Android Firefox. For now, I've been able to work around it with DDG's HTML site (thank god this exists!), but if I want image search I'm still stuck using the main site. There are a few small private search engines out there, I've been meaning to try out a few. This space is absolutely ready for new ideas, hopefully we'll see some decent options crop up in the next year or two.
- zufallsheld 4y agoI have the same problem. I thought it was me.. The HTML Page sadly has no image search I could find.
- ravenstine 4y agoCheck out Kagi. It's paid, but I like it a lot.
- Dwedit 4y agoThe problem with AI-generated answers is that they are bullshit delivered with confidence and authority.
- Otek 4y agoLike almost everything in the internet, not sure what "AI" is changing here.
- dsQTbR7Y5mRHnZv 4y agoIf I'm reading something about React written by Dan Abramov or something about Rust by David Tolnay, I can trust that I'm getting solid information from a trusted source. With AI sometimes the information can be as high quality as those trusted sources, and sometimes it can be complete garbage. If I'm not knowledgeable in the topic I'm researching, how can I tell the difference?
- jgalt212 4y agoI thought DDG was just a thing wrapper around Bing. Has that changed?
- vezycash 4y agoIsn't it better to use AI to passively rank pages i.e. make sure the pages shown in search results actually contain answers to what I'm searching for.
- jppope 4y agosearch.brave.com already has this feature.
- thexumaker 4y agono more duckduckgo for me. Their non stop youtube advertising has annoyed me to hell
- corbulo 4y agoI stopped caring about DDG once they announced search blacklisting about the Ukraine war. Once a search engine crosses that line its over, why wouldn't they apply it to anything else they feel similarly about? You're not gonna compete with google by trying to become them.
- l1n 4y agoMarch 8th. This feature was rolled back.