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They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud service
by _fat_santa 4y ago
They kinda did that with ChromeOS + Google Docs with offline mode. The problem for Google is that while it was a solid investment for MS to persue cloud services to compete with Google, I don't think it would have been a good investment the other way around. Chrome is really the only desktop product that makes sense for Google because it pushes people into their ecosystem online. Creating something like a standalone OS or a standalone office software would have gone in the "wrong direction" for Google, taking people off their site rather than taking people there.
Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed.
- hrunt 4y ago> Also on a total sidenote, if you told me 5 years ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google I would have a laughed. If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. That's how much impact the ChatGPT integration had for Bing -- overnight.
- tough 4y agoWell that and a 10B investment right?
- birdyrooster 4y agoI’ve used bing with gpt and it’s way worse than ChatGPT idk what you mean. I’d just as well use Google tbh. It wasn’t impressive.
- rmbyrro 4y agoThe thing is: Google is threatened for the first time in its decades of history. It might not be better, yet, but it definitely is a real and existential threat to Google.
- visarga 4y agoGoogle is threatened by MS and OA, OA is threatened by Stable Diffusion and MiniGPT-4. We are wondering if there will still be developer work in 10 years. Everyone is threatened.
- birdyrooster 4y agoIf anything we will have more work because we will have more people capable of churning it out at a predictable rate.
- roncesvalles 4y agoEh. Remember when Google was threatened by DuckDuckGo and other privacy search engines? Google is always being "threatened" by something or the other.
- tpmx 4y agoI just can't get over the ugly visual design and haphazard UX on bing.com. For instance: That Microsoft Rewards counter? Ugh.
- lerchmo 4y agoI think chatgtp itself with access to search / wolfram / apps etc is a more serious competitor than Bing.
- rmbyrro 4y agoI was not at all surprised, to be honest. ChatGPT took over about 90-95% of my what I would previously resort to Google. Since Microsoft was dealing cards at OpenAI, it was just a matter of time...
- xnx 4y ago90-95% of your searches don't require information more recent than September 2021?
- htrp 4y agobing actually uses search results as part of the llm context window. it solves a lot for hallicination and current event problems you have in chatgpt
- penjelly 4y agoin my exp. bing even hallucinates the sources. I use chatgpt and bing side by side instead of the average google, then resort to google with those both fail. i find chatgpt 3.5 answers better than bing. Also ive had bing end conversion with me on more than one occasion without saying anything offensive
- JohnFen 4y agoThat sounds about right for me. When I'm searching the web for information, only rarely does that information have to be newer than that. That said, I'm not a fan of using these tools for search. For me, anyway, they don't even come close to doing what I want when I'm searching the web.
- rmbyrro 4y agoNo. In few cases where there is time sensitivity, it's not an issue. I'm using it to help me with a library integration, for example. I noticed it was recommending deprecated methods. So I copy/pasted the latest source code, asked it to update itself, and voilá. It's super smart and learns literally in a second. Just drop recent information at it and ask what you need.
- robotresearcher 4y ago
- amluto 4y agoGoogle has spent the last 10 years ago making Google worse. They achieved this in large part by making the whole Internet worse [0], but a search engine with results of the quality of Google 10 years ago would be a serious competitor. [0] For example, Google used to have a fairly strictly enforced rule that indexable content had to actually be visible to an unauthenticated user. The current crop of sites that have apparently useful content in snippets but that hide it when loaded would have been penalized, possibly severely.
- lerchmo 4y agoThey really have a flywheel of internet destruction. The fact that they own the entire display advertising business + search and ping pong people from a 50% paid search listing to a CPM arbitrage SEO website and back is just gross.
- prox 4y agoIt’s almost if there is a downside to treating your users like shit. Google is such a weird company.
- ehvatum 4y agoIt’s an advertising company. Their destiny is to reach parity with Clear Channel Communications in terms of ethics and quality.
- all2 4y agoI've been using DDG and Brave for a few years now, and I went back to Google yesterday because its the default for Chrome on my phone. I was startled at the difference in quality, especially with Brave vs Google. Brave typically prefers long-form writing and the quality of the articles is typically a lot higher than what I found using Google.
- slig 4y agoBrave Search is like Google from 2005/6.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoPeople are acting like Bing has created some big market success and Samsung is running to them because the tech is better. But the alternative explanation is simple: vendors are always looking for reasons to (threaten to) put mediocre non-Google search as default on their products, so they can extract more money from search engine providers. Samsung sees the current hype around Bing/Google/AI as a convenient negotiating point, since the media will portray this as “Samsung switches to awesome AI search” rather than “Samsung forces its users to use crummy Bing.”
- thatguy0900 4y agoI think the problem is Google is also pretty crummy. Ai is in a golden age without poisoned data right now. But wait until Bing gets popular and blackhat seo types start poisoning chatgpt. It will stop being useful, and I suspect in a way that will be unfixable since these language models are so hard to wrangle.
- sho_hn 4y agoThere's another side to that medal: At the moment nobody takes any issue with OpenAI doing filtering and curation in deciding what is part of their training data set, aside from perhaps the anti-bias crowd. "AI neutrality" is not yet a topic. Yet.
- init2null 4y agoI've already seen that several times with image generation. Most recently was an article commenting on how the American smile was polluting generated photos. People can't decide what they want. Do they want licensed, curated commercial photos in the database or do they want search engine style neutrality? You really can't have both.
- marcosdumay 4y ago> People can't decide what they want. You mean, so that you can satisfy everybody at the same time? No, sorry, the world doesn't work this way.
- roncesvalles 4y ago>If you had told me 3 months ago that Bing would be a serious threat to Google, I still would have laughed. Every day I enter a few difficult queries on both Google and Bing to see if Bing gives me something better. I'm still laughing that people think Bing is a serious threat.
- anotherman554 4y agoAre you comparing Google to the "new A.I. powered Bing, only in Microsoft edge" or to the normal Bing search engine?
- roncesvalles 4y agoThe Bing search engine not the chatbot. Is there some v2 Bing search engine? A quick Bing search didn't reveal anything about it.
- anotherman554 4y agoThe Bing chatbot searches the web for you, it doesn't just spit out answers like ChatGPT. There's no clear distinction between the Chatbot and a search engine. I just asked it about something in today's news and it answered it and provided links to 6 news articles on that topic.
- roncesvalles 4y agoIt's unfortunate that it requires logging in to Edge with your Microsoft account because I'm just not going to do that. I don't sign in to browsers.
- mhermher 4y agoMaybe my queries are not difficult enough. Do you have an example?
- roncesvalles 4y ago
- pmontra 4y agoMaybe I'm using a different Bing because I access it through Duck Duck Go, but it doesn't seem better than Google. I often have to add a !g to technical searches because DDD doesn't return the right results. Google has them in the very first links. I'll try to use Bing directly.
- 3836293648 4y agoRaw ddg or google are awful for technical searches. But at least having ddg as default lets you have !whatever for specific topics.
- impulser_ 4y agoDid ChatGPT even make Bing a threat? Bing has only 10m+ downloads on Android. Not even a top 200 app. Samsung switch too Bing will hurt Samsung more than Google.
- rafark 4y ago“Only has 10 million downloads” wow
- bookofjoe 4y agoOr that someday Apple would be the most valuable company in the world
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- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y agoI moved to Bing a year ago, as 1) Google became a senseless SEO swamp 2) they don't allow VPN.
- warner25 4y agoI think we still have a long way to go before people are actually saying "Bing it." Then it's a serious threat.
- criddell 4y agoI suspect some people google for things on Bing.
- Ageodene 4y agoMan I haven't used Google in 10 years yet I still say I "Googled it." It's just a saying at this point, not an endorsement.
- retrocryptid 4y agoI have a friend who started saying "let me just bing that" to get people to laugh. Now I've started saying it at work... originally for a laugh, but I find I'm using DDG and Bing more often than Google now. (Alas how I miss AltaVista) So it may be sooner than you think. I mean... my data set is only two people, so maybe it will only be 2 hours sooner than you think.
- mark_l_watson 4y agoEven though I have invested heavily in Apple's sandbox world, I am very impressed by ChromeOS and inexpensive Chromebooks by 3rd parties. I have close to the cost of a car invested in Apple gear, yet, if I had to I could do all of my writing and coding on the very inexpensive Lenovo Duet Chromebook I bought a year ago. The Linux container support is OK, and I usually use remote servers anyway. For search, Bing + ChatGPT is now my driver for search. I still use Google and Duck Duck Go occasionally, but usually I am OK with waiting a short while for Bing + ChatGPT results.
- kagevf 4y ago> I usually use remote servers anyway Sorry for the OT question - do you use slime-tramp? And if so, do you have a way to use M-. (slime-edit-definition) without having to re-compile files using the remote paths?
- mark_l_watson 4y agoI usually use Mosh (instead of SSH) and have a nice Emacs setup on remote servers. If I am using an iPad Pro instead of a laptop, I have Emacs on remote servers configured with Mosh to accept virtual mouse clicks (by tapping the iPad screen) to jump around source files and scrolling with screen gestures. This might seem awkward, but it is not. For Common Lisp, running Emacs on a remote server instead of slime-tramp has always been good enough. Would you suggest I try slime-tramp?
- kagevf 4y ago> I usually use Mosh Mosh as in "mobile shell"? https://mosh.org/ https://mosh.org/ > Would you suggest I try slime-tramp? I don't know yet, I've just started trying it out. What made me want to try it was that I could use GUI Emacs to connect to emacs running on a different machine and still have full access to all the emacs keybindings. So far, the downsides that I have encountered are that M-. and C-c C-k (slime-compile-and-load-file) don't quite work. The work-around would be to visit each file using the remote path and re-compile them so that the running Lisp image can map what's in the image to a path tramp recognizes. Then M-. and C-c C-k should work. To recompile, select all then compile (X-c X-p C-c C-c) works, or I think C-c M-k also works. Not a great solution if there are a lot of files, though. IIUC the problem boils down to M-. eventually calling (xref-find-definitions) which is an emacs built-in, and I think that's why the tramp paths aren't translating until a re-compile is done.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoThey used to ship a Google Drive app for Windows that adds it to Explorer similar to OneDrive. They killed it, as with everything else. Edit: I'm wrong!
- kvn8888 4y agoNo, backup and sync was rebranded to Google drive for windows
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoVery well, I stand corrected.