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And a fuel cell car today is completely different than one built in 1990 too. > Who is claiming this? You are claiming that. You seem intent to not accept the

by _hypx 4y ago

And a fuel cell car today is completely different than one built in 1990 too. > Who is claiming this? You are claiming that. You seem intent to not accept the fact that hydrogen fuel cells are a form of battery technology that can advance.

stetrain 4y ago
I have not said that. I have asked what the avenues of research are that suggest that there are major advancements to be made and are underfunded.
- _hypx 4y ago
  It is literally a battery chemistry. It should have broadly the same properties as li-ion batteries. There should not be any challenges, at least not ones that can't be solved via just spending more on R&D. Not to mention that you are consistently implying that this must somehow come at the exclusion of progress anywhere else. That is an absurdity. The point is that we should take this idea seriously alongside other ideas.
  - stetrain 4y ago
    My point is the idea is taken seriously and there is already funding and research applied to it.
    - _hypx 4y ago
      Clearly not, since the original article didn't even mention it and very few in the comments section brought it up either. It is seriously being ignored in a real way.
k8wk1 4y ago
Fuel cells is not a problem. Hydrogen storage is. Hydrogen is just a very nasty material, it leaks through everything, makes steel brittle and requires extreme pressures to store it at meaningful density. Combine the last two problems together and it's easy to see why there are significant technological barriers to hydrogen adoption.
- _hypx 4y ago
  And lithium is somehow easy to deal with? This is really just another excuse. The point wasn't claiming those problems don't exist, it is asking why we are not seeing those problems as motivation for massive R&D spending in order to solve them.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > And lithium is somehow easy to deal with? Yes. Especially in LiFePO batteries.

by _hypx 4y ago

stetrain 4y ago

I have not said that. I have asked what the avenues of research are that suggest that there are major advancements to be made and are underfunded.

_hypx 4y ago
It is literally a battery chemistry. It should have broadly the same properties as li-ion batteries. There should not be any challenges, at least not ones that can't be solved via just spending more on R&D. Not to mention that you are consistently implying that this must somehow come at the exclusion of progress anywhere else. That is an absurdity. The point is that we should take this idea seriously alongside other ideas.
- stetrain 4y ago
  My point is the idea is taken seriously and there is already funding and research applied to it.
  - _hypx 4y ago
    Clearly not, since the original article didn't even mention it and very few in the comments section brought it up either. It is seriously being ignored in a real way.

k8wk1 4y ago

Fuel cells is not a problem. Hydrogen storage is. Hydrogen is just a very nasty material, it leaks through everything, makes steel brittle and requires extreme pressures to store it at meaningful density. Combine the last two problems together and it's easy to see why there are significant technological barriers to hydrogen adoption.

_hypx 4y ago
And lithium is somehow easy to deal with? This is really just another excuse. The point wasn't claiming those problems don't exist, it is asking why we are not seeing those problems as motivation for massive R&D spending in order to solve them.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > And lithium is somehow easy to deal with? Yes. Especially in LiFePO batteries.