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Crime is getting worse in SF, murder happens and people get upset, turns out not to be a random crime, but SF crime is still a problem but now the focus is on h

by refurb 4y ago

Crime is getting worse in SF, murder happens and people get upset, turns out not to be a random crime, but SF crime is still a problem but now the focus is on how this one crime wasn’t a random event. Do i have that right? This argument seems to be a massive distraction from the problem at hand.

fortran77 4y ago
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- itsthecourier 4y ago
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  - phone8675309 4y ago
    > police are putting their lives in the line constantly This is not borne out by the evidence - it's propaganda.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      It's a simple fact. Police are called to high risk situations all the time. Even traffic stops: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_67H-AoQqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_67H-AoQqQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqcltOnfxU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqcltOnfxU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1qbLjkJnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1qbLjkJnY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5niWr3Elg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5niWr3Elg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgGSWo9-0Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgGSWo9-0Y - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6bsr61vrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6bsr61vrw Do you dispute that?
      - camgunz 4y ago
        I think the point people are trying to make when they say things like this is that the reaction to "cops sometimes do dangerous things" is exaggerated. It's more dangerous to be a truck driver in the US than it is to be a cop, yet we still don't allow them to bazooka adjacent vehicles if they "reasonably perceive a threat".
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        I don't think that's the point of GP's statement "This is not borne out by the evidence - it's propaganda." But to your point, I also respect truck drivers (that can do their job properly) just as I respect police officers (who can also do their job properly). Not all truck drivers and police officers are created equal amongst their peers, they are human, some specific humans with more faults than others. No-one said it was the most dangerous job, they are saying they put their lives on the line. Which they do. You don't know which traffic stop or interaction could be your last... I'm glad I work in tech instead of being a cop or a soldier, or a fireman, or a trucker, or an underwater welder, etc. I appreciate these people.
        camgunz 4y ago
        Sure but my point is that no matter what kind of cop you are, you get protections that other people in other more dangerous professions don't, on the premise that your job is more dangerous. That's what op is saying is propaganda.
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        Legal protections but not physical protections right? The videos I showed were officers confronted by people attacking them while doing a routine patrol. Similar to a fireman running into a fire to save people, officers have to run into a high risk situation to diffuse it. Such as a person calling 911 against an aggressor (ie, someone robbing them, assaulting them, etc.) You are speaking for the OP, but you've expanded far beyond what they have stated.
        4y ago
    - tstrimple 4y ago
      Cops don't even break the top 20 most dangerous jobs. Cops have a lower on-the-job death rate than crossing guards, small engine mechanics, roofers and garbage men. The danger around the occupation is extremely exaggerated. This is especially true once you factor out suicides. In 2021 when "cities were being burned to the ground" 73 cops were maliciously killed and 56 died from accidents in the line of duty in a country of 332 million people. Being a gas station cashier is significantly more dangerous work than being a cop.
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        GP didn't said it was the "most" dangerous job, they said they were putting their lives on the line. Yes there are many jobs that people do that. It's definitely up there in dangerous jobs though.
      - refurb 4y ago
        Just because a job isn't in the "top 20 most dangerous" that doesn't mean it's not a dangerous job.
        tstrimple 4y ago
        When road side maintenance workers start executing people with state sanction because they "FeAred FOr thEiR LIvEs", then maybe we can compare the two on realistic terms.
        refurb 4y ago
        That’s just another attempt at distraction. It has nothing to do with the job being dangerous or not.
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        When do road workers get called into diffusing situations where they have to think quickly to save another life?
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    I wish you weren't forced to self censor yourself, it was correct.
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Overtonwindow 4y ago
I think this is more of a "see I told you so" type of response from people. HN Loves to bury opinions they don't like, whether it's right or wrong. More than anything there's always a sense of everyone trying to one up everyone else and "be right." Naturally, when you say they are wrong, they are going to get mad. It's typical silicon valley hubris.

by refurb 4y ago

fortran77 4y ago

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itsthecourier 4y ago
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- phone8675309 4y ago
  > police are putting their lives in the line constantly This is not borne out by the evidence - it's propaganda.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    It's a simple fact. Police are called to high risk situations all the time. Even traffic stops: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_67H-AoQqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_67H-AoQqQ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqcltOnfxU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LqcltOnfxU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1qbLjkJnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1qbLjkJnY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5niWr3Elg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k5niWr3Elg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgGSWo9-0Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwgGSWo9-0Y - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6bsr61vrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6bsr61vrw Do you dispute that?
    - camgunz 4y ago
      I think the point people are trying to make when they say things like this is that the reaction to "cops sometimes do dangerous things" is exaggerated. It's more dangerous to be a truck driver in the US than it is to be a cop, yet we still don't allow them to bazooka adjacent vehicles if they "reasonably perceive a threat".
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        I don't think that's the point of GP's statement "This is not borne out by the evidence - it's propaganda." But to your point, I also respect truck drivers (that can do their job properly) just as I respect police officers (who can also do their job properly). Not all truck drivers and police officers are created equal amongst their peers, they are human, some specific humans with more faults than others. No-one said it was the most dangerous job, they are saying they put their lives on the line. Which they do. You don't know which traffic stop or interaction could be your last... I'm glad I work in tech instead of being a cop or a soldier, or a fireman, or a trucker, or an underwater welder, etc. I appreciate these people.
        camgunz 4y ago
        Sure but my point is that no matter what kind of cop you are, you get protections that other people in other more dangerous professions don't, on the premise that your job is more dangerous. That's what op is saying is propaganda.
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        Legal protections but not physical protections right? The videos I showed were officers confronted by people attacking them while doing a routine patrol. Similar to a fireman running into a fire to save people, officers have to run into a high risk situation to diffuse it. Such as a person calling 911 against an aggressor (ie, someone robbing them, assaulting them, etc.) You are speaking for the OP, but you've expanded far beyond what they have stated.
        4y ago
  - tstrimple 4y ago
    Cops don't even break the top 20 most dangerous jobs. Cops have a lower on-the-job death rate than crossing guards, small engine mechanics, roofers and garbage men. The danger around the occupation is extremely exaggerated. This is especially true once you factor out suicides. In 2021 when "cities were being burned to the ground" 73 cops were maliciously killed and 56 died from accidents in the line of duty in a country of 332 million people. Being a gas station cashier is significantly more dangerous work than being a cop.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      GP didn't said it was the "most" dangerous job, they said they were putting their lives on the line. Yes there are many jobs that people do that. It's definitely up there in dangerous jobs though.
    - refurb 4y ago
      Just because a job isn't in the "top 20 most dangerous" that doesn't mean it's not a dangerous job.
      - tstrimple 4y ago
        When road side maintenance workers start executing people with state sanction because they "FeAred FOr thEiR LIvEs", then maybe we can compare the two on realistic terms.
        refurb 4y ago
        That’s just another attempt at distraction. It has nothing to do with the job being dangerous or not.
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        When do road workers get called into diffusing situations where they have to think quickly to save another life?
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  I wish you weren't forced to self censor yourself, it was correct.

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Overtonwindow 4y ago

I think this is more of a "see I told you so" type of response from people. HN Loves to bury opinions they don't like, whether it's right or wrong. More than anything there's always a sense of everyone trying to one up everyone else and "be right." Naturally, when you say they are wrong, they are going to get mad. It's typical silicon valley hubris.