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Cannot wait to see 8K drone footage from Ukraine

by nixass 4y ago

Foivos 4y ago
Why would they use this over the much cheaper mavic? On average the commercial drones in Ukraine survive 3 missions. I doubt anyone would spend the price of 5 mavic drones just to have more pixels at a trench.
- myth_drannon 4y ago
  Source? If you are talking averaging suicide drones that have 1 mission and other types, then maybe... But all those drones that we see on YouTube dropping granades, it will be quite shocking to have them shot down so quickly.
  - Foivos 4y ago
    I got it from this video [1]. [1] https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776 https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776
- JasonZ2 4y ago
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- causality0 4y ago
  I wonder if there's any information out of Ukraine about how effective shotguns loaded with birdshot are against drones. Probably not data you're ever going to get anywhere else.
  - Phlarp 4y ago
    Birdshot is very effective against plastic propellers and soft side lipo batteries, which are both virtually universal critical components on FPV quadcopters. 3 flights actually seems pretty good given the conditions-- I suspect they aren't walking out to fetch any crashed or malfunctioning devices in an active combat zone and the analog video signals are exceptionally easy to interfere with.
    - causality0 4y ago
      Sure, but how does the effective range of birdshot compare to useful flight altitudes? How difficult is compensating for drift and elevation? What's the ideal shot size and choke for killing drones? If someone with the best anti-drone load out sees a drone, how long and how many rounds does it take on average to down one?
      - Phlarp 4y ago
        "The best anti-drone load out" in the context of FPV quadcopters is going to be a radio transmitter configured to overwhelm their video or hijack control through frequency hopping attacks. The marginal cost of taking down the drone is virtually zero, radio jamming provides a continuous wide area of denial without user input and can't be overwhelmed by a swarm of attacking drones like a point defense turret could be. The RC control channel is unencrypted and the video feed is analog. If I'm being attacked by FPV drones I'll take a freshly certified ham radio operator over a world champion duck hunter any day.
        causality0 4y ago
        The RC control channel is unencrypted and the video feed is analog. This is completely wrong, as long as you're talking about the most common drones in Ukraine, the DJI Mavic Mini and Mini 2. https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1607790/FULLTEXT01.pdf https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1607790/FULLTEXT...
        Phlarp 4y ago
        While I'm sure there are some DJIs being used for recon, my understanding of the situation is that the overwhelming majority of drones used as guidance / delivery systems for munitions are hobbyist style DIY fpv drones. They are less expensive, have significantly higher payload carry capability and can be constructed from more generally available and interchangeable components[1][2][3] For these types of drones all the consumer and FOSS control links are unencrypted and critically vulnerable to frequency hopping hijacking attacks [4] The video and control for all of these systems (including DJI) can be disrupted by jamming consumer and hobbyist frequencies; 300-975mhz, 2.4ghz, and 5.8ghz. As with any information coming from active modern war zones, the incidence of misinformation, disinformation and propaganda will be high. [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/03/24/russia-braces-for-attack-by-50000-ukrainian-kamikaze-drones-seeks-shotguns/?sh=4043e8016ffc https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/03/24/russia... [2]https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/24/how-racing-drones-are-used-as-improvised-missiles-in-ukraine https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/24/... [3]https://dronedj.com/2023/03/01/ukraine-reportedly-assembles-half-of-its-1000-fpv-drone-fleet-for-attacking-russian-targets-video/ https://dronedj.com/2023/03/01/ukraine-reportedly-assembles-... [4]https://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13406082/hackers-control-consumer-drones-ftc-security https://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13406082/hackers-control-cons...
- Aperocky 4y ago
  Source? Anecdotally I've seen (on the internet) most are used for recon purposes, 3 times is awfully wasteful.
  - Foivos 4y ago
    Check this video [1] of Perun at the timestamped location. [1] https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776 https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776
- m3kw9 4y ago
  Electronic warfare would probably have a mode to allow a drone to go inside its “kill range” then activate the hammer to down the drone. Likely could do an off for 5 min on for 20 seconds or just enough
- GuardianCaveman 4y ago
  I mean those guys are drone nerds too. Maybe it won't be a ton of footage coming out of there but there will be some of those guys using these. Besides that, I used to fly aerial mapping missions over afghanistan and the same reason we needed high res images super fast (as opposed to tasking satellites) for a low level op coming in a few days to see ingress points, chokepoints, hlz sites fresh, etc. They definitely have a role there but not the every day sort of recce the grunts are using them for.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
  "Survives 3 missions" is more than a mobik in a hot zone.
wincy 4y ago
God I've seen the drone footage on Reddit sometimes, I don't like suddenly having my Reddit feed have videos of Russian men shooting themselves in the head to avoid dying via being blown up by a drone dropped grenade. Absolutely awful stuff. I'm not sure when Reddit became Ogrish.
- iamacyborg 4y ago
  Unfortunately it always has been.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  I hardly think your reddit feed is suddenly full of that.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    /r/all is a thing and some people use it.
  - qup 4y ago
    "full" is your word
  - quenix 4y ago
    Why? Mine certainly suddenly became that.
  - david_allison 4y ago
    The reddit frontpage algorithm very quickly pigeonholes users without accounts.
  - wincy 4y ago
    It's when I go to /r/all to see what the broader Reddit is up to. Basically every day there's war footage (at least marked nsfw), the other Reddit front page was featuring a video of a Ukrainian soldier being beheaded by some Russians. Also noticing more random videos of fights and people getting beat up. I don't remember this from Reddit even a year ago.

Cannot wait to see 8K drone footage from Ukraine

by nixass 4y ago

Cannot wait to see 8K drone footage from Ukraine

Why would they use this over the much cheaper mavic? On average the commercial drones in Ukraine survive 3 missions. I doubt anyone would spend the price of 5 mavic drones just to have more pixels at a trench.

myth_drannon 4y ago
Source? If you are talking averaging suicide drones that have 1 mission and other types, then maybe... But all those drones that we see on YouTube dropping granades, it will be quite shocking to have them shot down so quickly.
- Foivos 4y ago
  I got it from this video [1]. [1] https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776 https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776
JasonZ2 4y ago
[dead]
causality0 4y ago
I wonder if there's any information out of Ukraine about how effective shotguns loaded with birdshot are against drones. Probably not data you're ever going to get anywhere else.
- Phlarp 4y ago
  Birdshot is very effective against plastic propellers and soft side lipo batteries, which are both virtually universal critical components on FPV quadcopters. 3 flights actually seems pretty good given the conditions-- I suspect they aren't walking out to fetch any crashed or malfunctioning devices in an active combat zone and the analog video signals are exceptionally easy to interfere with.
  - causality0 4y ago
    Sure, but how does the effective range of birdshot compare to useful flight altitudes? How difficult is compensating for drift and elevation? What's the ideal shot size and choke for killing drones? If someone with the best anti-drone load out sees a drone, how long and how many rounds does it take on average to down one?
    - Phlarp 4y ago
      "The best anti-drone load out" in the context of FPV quadcopters is going to be a radio transmitter configured to overwhelm their video or hijack control through frequency hopping attacks. The marginal cost of taking down the drone is virtually zero, radio jamming provides a continuous wide area of denial without user input and can't be overwhelmed by a swarm of attacking drones like a point defense turret could be. The RC control channel is unencrypted and the video feed is analog. If I'm being attacked by FPV drones I'll take a freshly certified ham radio operator over a world champion duck hunter any day.
      - causality0 4y ago
        The RC control channel is unencrypted and the video feed is analog. This is completely wrong, as long as you're talking about the most common drones in Ukraine, the DJI Mavic Mini and Mini 2. https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1607790/FULLTEXT01.pdf https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1607790/FULLTEXT...
        Phlarp 4y ago
        While I'm sure there are some DJIs being used for recon, my understanding of the situation is that the overwhelming majority of drones used as guidance / delivery systems for munitions are hobbyist style DIY fpv drones. They are less expensive, have significantly higher payload carry capability and can be constructed from more generally available and interchangeable components[1][2][3] For these types of drones all the consumer and FOSS control links are unencrypted and critically vulnerable to frequency hopping hijacking attacks [4] The video and control for all of these systems (including DJI) can be disrupted by jamming consumer and hobbyist frequencies; 300-975mhz, 2.4ghz, and 5.8ghz. As with any information coming from active modern war zones, the incidence of misinformation, disinformation and propaganda will be high. [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/03/24/russia-braces-for-attack-by-50000-ukrainian-kamikaze-drones-seeks-shotguns/?sh=4043e8016ffc https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/03/24/russia... [2]https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/24/how-racing-drones-are-used-as-improvised-missiles-in-ukraine https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/24/... [3]https://dronedj.com/2023/03/01/ukraine-reportedly-assembles-half-of-its-1000-fpv-drone-fleet-for-attacking-russian-targets-video/ https://dronedj.com/2023/03/01/ukraine-reportedly-assembles-... [4]https://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13406082/hackers-control-consumer-drones-ftc-security https://www.vox.com/2016/10/28/13406082/hackers-control-cons...
Aperocky 4y ago
Source? Anecdotally I've seen (on the internet) most are used for recon purposes, 3 times is awfully wasteful.
- Foivos 4y ago
  Check this video [1] of Perun at the timestamped location. [1] https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776 https://youtu.be/AlpZf1hpQYM?t=2776
m3kw9 4y ago
Electronic warfare would probably have a mode to allow a drone to go inside its “kill range” then activate the hammer to down the drone. Likely could do an off for 5 min on for 20 seconds or just enough
GuardianCaveman 4y ago
I mean those guys are drone nerds too. Maybe it won't be a ton of footage coming out of there but there will be some of those guys using these. Besides that, I used to fly aerial mapping missions over afghanistan and the same reason we needed high res images super fast (as opposed to tasking satellites) for a low level op coming in a few days to see ingress points, chokepoints, hlz sites fresh, etc. They definitely have a role there but not the every day sort of recce the grunts are using them for.
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
"Survives 3 missions" is more than a mobik in a hot zone.

wincy 4y ago

God I've seen the drone footage on Reddit sometimes, I don't like suddenly having my Reddit feed have videos of Russian men shooting themselves in the head to avoid dying via being blown up by a drone dropped grenade. Absolutely awful stuff. I'm not sure when Reddit became Ogrish.

iamacyborg 4y ago
Unfortunately it always has been.
Aeolun 4y ago
I hardly think your reddit feed is suddenly full of that.
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  /r/all is a thing and some people use it.
- qup 4y ago
  "full" is your word
- quenix 4y ago
  Why? Mine certainly suddenly became that.
- david_allison 4y ago
  The reddit frontpage algorithm very quickly pigeonholes users without accounts.
- wincy 4y ago
  It's when I go to /r/all to see what the broader Reddit is up to. Basically every day there's war footage (at least marked nsfw), the other Reddit front page was featuring a video of a Ukrainian soldier being beheaded by some Russians. Also noticing more random videos of fights and people getting beat up. I don't remember this from Reddit even a year ago.