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You're reading an Irish website about "government in Ireland" to try and interpret UK law. Ireland is not a part of the UK or vice versa. In the UK, you do not

You're reading an Irish website about "government in Ireland" to try and interpret UK law. Ireland is not a part of the UK or vice versa. In the UK, you do not need to present ID at any point to travel within the UK. As per the Good Friday Agreement, this extends to the island of Ireland. In other words, you do not need to provide ID to travel between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. If you drive up the N1 / A1 dual carriageway (the main road between Dublin and Belfast), you'll see for yourself. And on your driving license comment: in the UK, you do not need to carry your driving license with you at all. Traffic police are not going to stop you just to check you have one. Ever.

disgruntledphd2 4y ago
Note that this has been the case for an incredibly long time, under the common travel area. However, I suspect that this may change at some point, once the UK introduces their ESTA like scheme.
- scott_w 4y ago
  > Note that this has been the case for an incredibly long time, under the common travel area. That's correct. > However, I suspect that this may change at some point, once the UK introduces their ESTA like scheme. No. It won't. That would violate the Good Friday Agreement.
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    For non Irish/UK citizens there will 100% be checks for passports and visa on ferries at the very least.
    - scott_w 4y ago
      No, there simply won't. Your scenario makes no sense whatsoever. How do you "only" check non-UK/Irish citizens? Do you listen for their accent? Do you go by skin colour? There will be no checks between Belfast/Stranraer just as there are no checks between Carlisle/Glasgow.
      - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
        Well either the UK give up their current visa requirements (the proposed ESTA analogy) or there will have to be. Here's an Irish Times article about the issue: https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/03/09/uk-amends-visa-waiver-plans-for-non-irish-eu-citizens-crossing-border/ https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/03/09/uk-amends-vis... Looks like they've fixed the EU citizens living in Ireland crossing the border for work issue, thankfully.
        scott_w 4y ago
        This was always going to be dropped because anyone with a brain realised it was unworkable and stupid. The only evidence you’ve put forward contradicts what you say! You still haven’t answered a basic question: How does Border Force check the passports of only non-UK or Irish citizens?
        disgruntledphd2 4y ago
        > This was always going to be dropped because anyone with a brain realised it was unworkable and stupid. I have felt that way and been proven wrong so many times since 2016 that I'm hesitant to be certain of this. I have no idea how they'll do it. The most sensible thing to do would be to rely on the current approach (i.e. passport/visa checks by hotels/hostels/employers). What I actually think will happen is zero enforcement till the Mail run a bunch of stories on it, and then everyone will get checked on the ferries.
        scott_w 4y ago
        Are you still waffling your nonsense on this thread? Let me be very clear: the government has balked at every single initiative that would violate the Good Friday Agreement, for good reason. They’re not about to suddenly change tack here. If the Government starting checking ferries from Belfast to Stranraer, unionists would start burning ports just like they did in 2021. You can’t provide evidence for any of your guesses because it doesn’t exist. I don’t know why you waste your time trying to continue the “debate.”

disgruntledphd2 4y ago

Note that this has been the case for an incredibly long time, under the common travel area. However, I suspect that this may change at some point, once the UK introduces their ESTA like scheme.

scott_w 4y ago
> Note that this has been the case for an incredibly long time, under the common travel area. That's correct. > However, I suspect that this may change at some point, once the UK introduces their ESTA like scheme. No. It won't. That would violate the Good Friday Agreement.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  For non Irish/UK citizens there will 100% be checks for passports and visa on ferries at the very least.
  - scott_w 4y ago
    No, there simply won't. Your scenario makes no sense whatsoever. How do you "only" check non-UK/Irish citizens? Do you listen for their accent? Do you go by skin colour? There will be no checks between Belfast/Stranraer just as there are no checks between Carlisle/Glasgow.
    - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
      Well either the UK give up their current visa requirements (the proposed ESTA analogy) or there will have to be. Here's an Irish Times article about the issue: https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/03/09/uk-amends-visa-waiver-plans-for-non-irish-eu-citizens-crossing-border/ https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/03/09/uk-amends-vis... Looks like they've fixed the EU citizens living in Ireland crossing the border for work issue, thankfully.
      - scott_w 4y ago
        This was always going to be dropped because anyone with a brain realised it was unworkable and stupid. The only evidence you’ve put forward contradicts what you say! You still haven’t answered a basic question: How does Border Force check the passports of only non-UK or Irish citizens?
        disgruntledphd2 4y ago
        > This was always going to be dropped because anyone with a brain realised it was unworkable and stupid. I have felt that way and been proven wrong so many times since 2016 that I'm hesitant to be certain of this. I have no idea how they'll do it. The most sensible thing to do would be to rely on the current approach (i.e. passport/visa checks by hotels/hostels/employers). What I actually think will happen is zero enforcement till the Mail run a bunch of stories on it, and then everyone will get checked on the ferries.
        scott_w 4y ago
        Are you still waffling your nonsense on this thread? Let me be very clear: the government has balked at every single initiative that would violate the Good Friday Agreement, for good reason. They’re not about to suddenly change tack here. If the Government starting checking ferries from Belfast to Stranraer, unionists would start burning ports just like they did in 2021. You can’t provide evidence for any of your guesses because it doesn’t exist. I don’t know why you waste your time trying to continue the “debate.”