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> My ideals are very egalitarian, I'd love to see a world in which men and women are equal and living in harmony. But we're not equal - by definition. We're di

> My ideals are very egalitarian, I'd love to see a world in which men and women are equal and living in harmony. But we're not equal - by definition. We're diverse and complementary. What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo?

bjornsing 3y ago
> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? If it’s (classic) liberalism that does that I’d say it’s probably because that’s what people individually want. But I think it’s in many cases the other way around. For example, gender differences in career choices tend to increase with economic prosperity and liberalism.
- realjhol 3y ago
  But we're not more prosperous. Most families couldn't afford to have a stay-at-home parent even if they wanted to. Women have simply had servitude to the corporate machine packaged up as some kind of freedom. To say this represents any form of progress is delusional.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    They have the same economic mobility as men now. At least your corporate overlord lets you leave and has an HR department; a domestic overlord can be less kind. That is progress. The fact that it's also become an economic necessity is orthogonal and regretable. Bernie wuda won &c Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Maybe the old order was stuck in a local minimum, and giving women the opportunity to learn and work shook us out of it, leading us to tumble into deeper minima. :D (On topic with this thread kek)
    - mantas 3y ago
      Extended family and community is your „domestic overlord“ HR department. As well as legal and welfare systems. Same corporate overlords would be less kind without oversight of the above. > Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Lots of jobs do not require degree and many degrees are useless. Or even negative in some societies with student debt. University degree does not guarantee a higher pay. Many jobs requiring a degree pay little. While many tradesmen jobs pay good money.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? Fear mostly. But that isn't liberalism, it is much more the opposite. Self identification of political parties doesn't mean anything.
yosito 3y ago
I don't mean equal in the strict programming sense. Clearly men and women are very different. I mean equally balanced, yin and yang.

bjornsing 3y ago

> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? If it’s (classic) liberalism that does that I’d say it’s probably because that’s what people individually want. But I think it’s in many cases the other way around. For example, gender differences in career choices tend to increase with economic prosperity and liberalism.

realjhol 3y ago
But we're not more prosperous. Most families couldn't afford to have a stay-at-home parent even if they wanted to. Women have simply had servitude to the corporate machine packaged up as some kind of freedom. To say this represents any form of progress is delusional.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  They have the same economic mobility as men now. At least your corporate overlord lets you leave and has an HR department; a domestic overlord can be less kind. That is progress. The fact that it's also become an economic necessity is orthogonal and regretable. Bernie wuda won &c Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Maybe the old order was stuck in a local minimum, and giving women the opportunity to learn and work shook us out of it, leading us to tumble into deeper minima. :D (On topic with this thread kek)
  - mantas 3y ago
    Extended family and community is your „domestic overlord“ HR department. As well as legal and welfare systems. Same corporate overlords would be less kind without oversight of the above. > Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Lots of jobs do not require degree and many degrees are useless. Or even negative in some societies with student debt. University degree does not guarantee a higher pay. Many jobs requiring a degree pay little. While many tradesmen jobs pay good money.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? Fear mostly. But that isn't liberalism, it is much more the opposite. Self identification of political parties doesn't mean anything.

yosito 3y ago

I don't mean equal in the strict programming sense. Clearly men and women are very different. I mean equally balanced, yin and yang.