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Yes, old cultural expressions of masculinity have outlived their usefulness and become toxic in modern environments. One example, we no longer need to fight off
by yosito 4y ago
Yes, old cultural expressions of masculinity have outlived their usefulness and become toxic in modern environments. One example, we no longer need to fight off predators, so what used to be valued as protective bravado now gets expressed as violence and aggression directed toward our frustrations. Yet, mainstream feminism has become so anti-masculinity that it leaves very little room for new, healthy versions of masculinity to develop. Our evolved impulses as men are
left with little space for healthy expression. My ideals are very egalitarian, I'd love to see a world in which men and women are equal and living in harmony. At the same time, I don't think a new, positive vision for masculinity can come from feminism. Feminists are telling men to act more female: don't be competitive, get in touch with the softer emotions, cry more, etc. And while there is definitely a place for men to get in touch with their feminine emotions, we are still evolutionarily predisposed to have masculine emotions. How can we express our innate emotions like frustration, anger and aggression and channel them into healthy expressions that fit in modern life? I believe that we can do that. We need men's movements that cultivate positive masculinity. Movements that tell us what to
do with our natural impulses to be physically strong and fight against threats with our bodies. Not feminine visions of masculinity, but neither victim-based visions like incels or men's rights activists.
- realjhol 4y ago> My ideals are very egalitarian, I'd love to see a world in which men and women are equal and living in harmony. But we're not equal - by definition. We're diverse and complementary. What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo?
- bjornsing 4y ago> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? If it’s (classic) liberalism that does that I’d say it’s probably because that’s what people individually want. But I think it’s in many cases the other way around. For example, gender differences in career choices tend to increase with economic prosperity and liberalism.
- realjhol 4y agoBut we're not more prosperous. Most families couldn't afford to have a stay-at-home parent even if they wanted to. Women have simply had servitude to the corporate machine packaged up as some kind of freedom. To say this represents any form of progress is delusional.
- shrimp_emoji 4y agoThey have the same economic mobility as men now. At least your corporate overlord lets you leave and has an HR department; a domestic overlord can be less kind. That is progress. The fact that it's also become an economic necessity is orthogonal and regretable. Bernie wuda won &c Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Maybe the old order was stuck in a local minimum, and giving women the opportunity to learn and work shook us out of it, leading us to tumble into deeper minima. :D (On topic with this thread kek)
- mantas 4y agoExtended family and community is your „domestic overlord“ HR department. As well as legal and welfare systems. Same corporate overlords would be less kind without oversight of the above. > Also, talking about differences, it turns out they may be more cut out for work than men, since they seem to be graduating from college at higher rates and are thus eligible for higher paying jobs than the majority of men! Lots of jobs do not require degree and many degrees are useless. Or even negative in some societies with student debt. University degree does not guarantee a higher pay. Many jobs requiring a degree pay little. While many tradesmen jobs pay good money.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago> What is it that drives the ravenous appetite of liberalism to flatten all diversity out of the world into a homogenous mass of goo? Fear mostly. But that isn't liberalism, it is much more the opposite. Self identification of political parties doesn't mean anything.
- yosito 4y agoI don't mean equal in the strict programming sense. Clearly men and women are very different. I mean equally balanced, yin and yang.
- raxxorraxor 4y agoWe did not need to defend against predators since at least a thousand years, very likely for a much longer time frame. The latest enemies weren't some wild beast, it was famine and infighting. I doubt we have really moved beyond either to be honest. But still, the point I was trying to make is that if this is relevant to shape behavior and didn't happen yet, it doesn't have to happen between 1970 and 2023.
- yosito 4y ago> since at least a thousand years A thousand years is nothing on an evolutionary timescale. If you traveled back in time 1000 years you'd be amazed to find that humans were identical to how they are now.