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You can't possibly be serious, right? So what is the point of police patrol? Adjusting police presence in different areas? Community initiatives? Prevention is

by jjcon 3y ago

You can't possibly be serious, right? So what is the point of police patrol? Adjusting police presence in different areas? Community initiatives? Prevention is definitively a key component of modern policing at least in every city and country I have lived in. If that isn't the case in SF I'd say then that they have obviously failed on all levels at enforcing the law. Not to mention, punishment is definitely not the job of law enforcement.

jeffbee 3y ago
What level of police ubiquity are you proposing, such that it would have prevented two people from two other cities from driving to SF in the middle of the night and starting a fatal altercation inside a car?
- jjcon 3y ago
  More than SF currently has… clearly
clipsy 3y ago
Police departments have fought legal battles specifically to avoid having any duty to protect civilians or to prevent a crime in progress if they so choose.[0] I do agree with you that they (not just in SF, but across America broadly) have in fact obviously failed on all levels, though. [0]: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-polic...
- jjcon 3y ago
  Legally obligated to protect != Prevention Not sure how that is relevant
  - clipsy 3y ago
    You don't see a link between a police force which actively rejects duty to protect and a police force that doesn't value prevention? It certainly seems to me that a police force which refuses to prevent crimes that are being carried out literally in front of them is one which places low value on prevention.
    - jjcon 3y ago
      > a police force which refuses to prevent crimes That isn’t what the law has determined though. The law has only determined that police can’t be sued or imprisoned for failing to assist. It can be my job to pick up trash, but that doesn’t make it my legal obligation even under threat to my own life.

by jjcon 3y ago

jeffbee 3y ago

What level of police ubiquity are you proposing, such that it would have prevented two people from two other cities from driving to SF in the middle of the night and starting a fatal altercation inside a car?

jjcon 3y ago
More than SF currently has… clearly

clipsy 3y ago

Police departments have fought legal battles specifically to avoid having any duty to protect civilians or to prevent a crime in progress if they so choose.[0] I do agree with you that they (not just in SF, but across America broadly) have in fact obviously failed on all levels, though. [0]: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/ https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-polic...

jjcon 3y ago
Legally obligated to protect != Prevention Not sure how that is relevant
- clipsy 3y ago
  You don't see a link between a police force which actively rejects duty to protect and a police force that doesn't value prevention? It certainly seems to me that a police force which refuses to prevent crimes that are being carried out literally in front of them is one which places low value on prevention.
  - jjcon 3y ago
    > a police force which refuses to prevent crimes That isn’t what the law has determined though. The law has only determined that police can’t be sued or imprisoned for failing to assist. It can be my job to pick up trash, but that doesn’t make it my legal obligation even under threat to my own life.