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Can’t help but point out that the minority you pointed out twice is definitely not statistically insignificant. Blatant racism is rampant in the poorer areas of

Can’t help but point out that the minority you pointed out twice is definitely not statistically insignificant. Blatant racism is rampant in the poorer areas of where I’m from. I’m in recovery, AA that is (known for a majority of lower-income folks) and I’ve been at hangouts where the majority of men non-ironically use the n word. It’s sad. Very much agree with you though that saying any/all dislike for Obama was because of race is absurd. Conspiracy-theory, flat-earth, not-worth-arguing absurd.

Glawen 4y ago
> I’m in recovery, AA that is (known for a majority of lower-income folks) and I’ve been at hangouts where the majority of men non-ironically use the n word. It’s sad. That's how it is in lower income areas, whatever country. I grew up in a small village with lower income folks and that's how it was, you need to learn not being vehement about this. You cannot benchmark a policy based on stuff like this. I believe it is the exact same thing with folks "victims" of racism: they can say hideous stuff too, e.g antisemitism within Muslim community.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >That's how it is in lower income areas, whatever country This. If you really wanna overhear some casual racism in the US learn to speak Spanish. And for the most part the people of all races that say these things aren't racist in that they believe in inherent superiority or anything. They're more critiquing culture that just so happens to follow (loosely, obviously we're using a broad brush here) race but in a way that isn't articulate and narrowly scoped enough to pass muster with the white collar crowd. They're basically shitting on other race groups in the same way that all the trades on a job site shit on each other. This kind of bring us full circle to the whole classism thing...
- cwillu 4y ago
  “I spoke only as do all men in my land, and I would gladly learn better.”
adamrezich 4y ago
in the 2008 election, Obama got ~69.5 million votes, McCain got ~59.5 million, out of ~129 million votes total (excluding votes for other parties' nominees for simplicity). of McCain's ~59.9M, some small number `x` is racists, who voted against Obama, because they didn't want a black President. after the end of Obama's first term (again, for simplicity), some number `y` is people who voted for McCain who were vocally displeased with Obama's presidency (presumably this number includes most if not all of `x`), and some number `z` is people who voted for Obama who were vocally displeased with Obama's presidency. everyone (racists, Obama-likers, Obama-dislikers) who did not exercise their Constitutional right to vote are irrelevant. `x` is a much smaller number than `y` plus `z`, so as to be insignificant.
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- comfypotato 4y ago
  You’re making up a definition for statistical significance. You’ve acknowledged the number is non-zero, which is by definition statistically significant. All I’m saying is that I disagree with your inclination to downplay racism in America.
- throwaway81523 4y ago
  Plenty of racists voted for Obama from economic self-interest. There are (maybe apocryphal) stories of pollsters querying people before the election and being told "I'm voting for the n****r". You can't assume Obama's voters were non-racist.

Glawen 4y ago

> I’m in recovery, AA that is (known for a majority of lower-income folks) and I’ve been at hangouts where the majority of men non-ironically use the n word. It’s sad. That's how it is in lower income areas, whatever country. I grew up in a small village with lower income folks and that's how it was, you need to learn not being vehement about this. You cannot benchmark a policy based on stuff like this. I believe it is the exact same thing with folks "victims" of racism: they can say hideous stuff too, e.g antisemitism within Muslim community.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>That's how it is in lower income areas, whatever country This. If you really wanna overhear some casual racism in the US learn to speak Spanish. And for the most part the people of all races that say these things aren't racist in that they believe in inherent superiority or anything. They're more critiquing culture that just so happens to follow (loosely, obviously we're using a broad brush here) race but in a way that isn't articulate and narrowly scoped enough to pass muster with the white collar crowd. They're basically shitting on other race groups in the same way that all the trades on a job site shit on each other. This kind of bring us full circle to the whole classism thing...
cwillu 4y ago
“I spoke only as do all men in my land, and I would gladly learn better.”

adamrezich 4y ago

in the 2008 election, Obama got ~69.5 million votes, McCain got ~59.5 million, out of ~129 million votes total (excluding votes for other parties' nominees for simplicity). of McCain's ~59.9M, some small number `x` is racists, who voted against Obama, because they didn't want a black President. after the end of Obama's first term (again, for simplicity), some number `y` is people who voted for McCain who were vocally displeased with Obama's presidency (presumably this number includes most if not all of `x`), and some number `z` is people who voted for Obama who were vocally displeased with Obama's presidency. everyone (racists, Obama-likers, Obama-dislikers) who did not exercise their Constitutional right to vote are irrelevant. `x` is a much smaller number than `y` plus `z`, so as to be insignificant.

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comfypotato 4y ago
You’re making up a definition for statistical significance. You’ve acknowledged the number is non-zero, which is by definition statistically significant. All I’m saying is that I disagree with your inclination to downplay racism in America.
throwaway81523 4y ago
Plenty of racists voted for Obama from economic self-interest. There are (maybe apocryphal) stories of pollsters querying people before the election and being told "I'm voting for the n****r". You can't assume Obama's voters were non-racist.