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Do you have a better solution though? I don't see why you dismiss this, it's a real enough problem. If people lived centuries, it would just be eternal tyranny

Do you have a better solution though? I don't see why you dismiss this, it's a real enough problem. If people lived centuries, it would just be eternal tyranny of the old and decrepit over the young and beautiful. It would be a stagnant and ugly world. We already have gerontocracy, even with regular lifespans.

briandear 3y ago
Old people have more wisdom than young people. And for those Americans complaining about be victims of tyrannical old people, why do y’all keep voting for Pelosi,, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Feinstein, McConnell, and the other dinosaurs that didn’t make it through the first cut when casting Cocoon?
- lordnacho 3y ago
  More experienced people have more wisdom then less experienced people. That doesn't really correlate with age though, plenty of people have lived a long time and not seen much of anything. As for old people in politics, it's because there's a lot of old people who get to vote. If it were up to me, your vote would depend on some rough measure of remaining time in the society, plus you'd get to vote for your underage children.
  - whiddershins 3y ago
    If it were up to me we would raise the voting age to 25, and maybe restrict it to homeowners and small business owners with more than X revenue or more than Y full time employees. Too many people are voting emotionally based on something someone told them one time about how the world should be. Not enough people voting based on having to grapple with accomplishing something difficult, wanting to improve the circumstances of their community, and seeing what human nature looks like over time. But no one asked me.
    - lordnacho 3y ago
      But homeowners and businesspeople couldn't possibly vote based on emotions? Or are you suggesting they don't vote based on what they've been told the world should be?
      - elbigbad 3y ago
        We’ll I think the point is that if I’ve inherited a home as part of a loved one’s estate or was gifted a home by virtue of generational wealth then I am naturally too mature to vote based on emotions. QED
    - vidarh 3y ago
      Good thing nobody asked you, because a tyranny like that would be worth taking up arms against. I'll note many countries did have voting restrictions like that, and it did nothing good.
      - svachalek 3y ago
        Including the early US (fifty acres of land in most states).
      - whiddershins 3y ago
        You are calling a system where ~70% of people can make decisions about government representation a tyranny? When there are also codified hard limits of what the government can do to citizens as well?
        vidarh 3y ago
        Yes, I am. A government is best measured by how it treats it minorities. A government that disenfranchises a substantial proportion of its competent population is one that deserves to be removed with arms if necessary - it has no legitimacy whatsoever.
    - jackothy 3y ago
      That was how it used to be in lots of places. But it was not allowed to last because the wealthy eligible voters kept selfishly exploiting those that had no voting rights.
  - mr_toad 3y ago
    > As for old people in politics, it's because there's a lot of old people who get to vote. That’s only a small part of it. You can’t get anywhere in US politics without being in one of the two main parties, both of which have become in-effect oligarchies. Age and wealth are big factors in getting ahead in oligarchies. So voters have little choice but to vote for one of these two oligarchies which are both stacked with rich old people. It’s not that much different from the Roman republic, except that instead of a single senatorial class you get to choose between two competing parties of patricians.
derbOac 3y ago
The history of humanity suggests repeating the same mistakes through inexperience leads to stagnation as much as anything else. People die, died at younger ages in the past, and we had many of the same issues. It doesn't take the same people to do the same things.
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  The history of humanity also suggests that old rich people are the worst and society and it’s very lucky that they have to die and relinquish power.
rafaelero 3y ago
I don't think you understand where this research is going. The aim is not to have people living forever. The aim is for all of us to live for a long time in a body of a 25 year old. There won't be a gerontocracy because there won't be old people.

briandear 3y ago

Old people have more wisdom than young people. And for those Americans complaining about be victims of tyrannical old people, why do y’all keep voting for Pelosi,, Hillary, Trump, Biden, Feinstein, McConnell, and the other dinosaurs that didn’t make it through the first cut when casting Cocoon?

lordnacho 3y ago
More experienced people have more wisdom then less experienced people. That doesn't really correlate with age though, plenty of people have lived a long time and not seen much of anything. As for old people in politics, it's because there's a lot of old people who get to vote. If it were up to me, your vote would depend on some rough measure of remaining time in the society, plus you'd get to vote for your underage children.
- whiddershins 3y ago
  If it were up to me we would raise the voting age to 25, and maybe restrict it to homeowners and small business owners with more than X revenue or more than Y full time employees. Too many people are voting emotionally based on something someone told them one time about how the world should be. Not enough people voting based on having to grapple with accomplishing something difficult, wanting to improve the circumstances of their community, and seeing what human nature looks like over time. But no one asked me.
  - lordnacho 3y ago
    But homeowners and businesspeople couldn't possibly vote based on emotions? Or are you suggesting they don't vote based on what they've been told the world should be?
    - elbigbad 3y ago
      We’ll I think the point is that if I’ve inherited a home as part of a loved one’s estate or was gifted a home by virtue of generational wealth then I am naturally too mature to vote based on emotions. QED
  - vidarh 3y ago
    Good thing nobody asked you, because a tyranny like that would be worth taking up arms against. I'll note many countries did have voting restrictions like that, and it did nothing good.
    - svachalek 3y ago
      Including the early US (fifty acres of land in most states).
    - whiddershins 3y ago
      You are calling a system where ~70% of people can make decisions about government representation a tyranny? When there are also codified hard limits of what the government can do to citizens as well?
      - vidarh 3y ago
        Yes, I am. A government is best measured by how it treats it minorities. A government that disenfranchises a substantial proportion of its competent population is one that deserves to be removed with arms if necessary - it has no legitimacy whatsoever.
  - jackothy 3y ago
    That was how it used to be in lots of places. But it was not allowed to last because the wealthy eligible voters kept selfishly exploiting those that had no voting rights.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  > As for old people in politics, it's because there's a lot of old people who get to vote. That’s only a small part of it. You can’t get anywhere in US politics without being in one of the two main parties, both of which have become in-effect oligarchies. Age and wealth are big factors in getting ahead in oligarchies. So voters have little choice but to vote for one of these two oligarchies which are both stacked with rich old people. It’s not that much different from the Roman republic, except that instead of a single senatorial class you get to choose between two competing parties of patricians.

derbOac 3y ago

The history of humanity suggests repeating the same mistakes through inexperience leads to stagnation as much as anything else. People die, died at younger ages in the past, and we had many of the same issues. It doesn't take the same people to do the same things.

fauxpause_ 3y ago
The history of humanity also suggests that old rich people are the worst and society and it’s very lucky that they have to die and relinquish power.

rafaelero 3y ago

I don't think you understand where this research is going. The aim is not to have people living forever. The aim is for all of us to live for a long time in a body of a 25 year old. There won't be a gerontocracy because there won't be old people.