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Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.
by numbers_guy 3y ago
Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin?
I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.
- bjornsing 3y agoMe too. And it’s a more and more common feeling.
- sjaak 3y agoDon't be; look up some of the founders[1] of OpenAI: Ilya Sutskever - born in Russia Wojciech Zaremba - born in Poland Andrej Karpathy - born in Slovakia [1] according to wikipedia
- numbers_guy 3y agoThat makes me feel even more ashamed and disappointed.
- rapsey 3y agoThat just makes it sadder. European talent and knowledge, monetized by the US. Unfortunately the European economic order is incompatible with this kind of startup. We do not have the capital to fund it, because we do not have public markets as developed.
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- pjmlp 3y agoThankfully we also don't have the mentally that anything less than 60h per week, and no time off, is not being committed enough.
- whiplash451 3y agoOP wants a company built and HQ’ed in EU, not a beautiful exposition of brain drain
- frozencell 3y agoNo, it's the research founding team mostly. The most important was the business team: Sam Altman, Reid Hoffman, Jessica Livingston, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Microsoft with their Azure supercomputers. Edit: the only supercomputer industry in Europe was developed by France's first* president Charles De Gaulle (plan Calcul) for their country military or civil nuclear strategy which the US deep state did not like very much. A French president unilaterally killed this plan Calcul under US advice and sold Bull to American company (Honeywell) despite the opportunity to merge Bull with a few European computer giants.
- WastingMyTime89 3y agoWhy? It’s a new piece of technology with some major privacy impacts. It has a tendency to straight up make facts and mix them with true pieces of information about even moderately famous people. It makes sense than the privacy watchdog setup a task force to work on the subject. That’s literally why they exist.
- jacquesm 3y agoYou're entirely free to move. The reason why there are no ChatGPT competitors of EU origin is the same reason why there is no SpaceX competitor in Europe. And that's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of, it simply means that the USA has the advantage and that once you reach a certain concentration of wealth it tends to lead to further concentrations of wealth. 400 years ago Europe was ascendant, today it is America and 30 years from now it will be China or India. That's just how it goes, and if it makes you feel ashamed realize then that there are no ChatGPT competitors from any other continent. In a race like this the first mover advantage is very large, and highly driven by available funding, not by the availability of founders (of which Europe has plenty).
- whiplash451 3y agoEU has all the ingredients to build a competitor. And the first mover’s advantage can be compensated by other things. The reality is that the EU tech community is just shitting their pants to throw their hat into the ring.
- qtzfz 3y agoThe EU doesn't have the money or the regulatory framework, to begin with. See how quickly they are working to make sure nobody can build this (well, make it work within the EU)
- DoingIsLearning 3y ago> EU has all the ingredients to build a competitor. ... Except for VC funding from non risk averse investors. You are not going to build an EU openAI on Horizon2020 grants. Also EU investors are closer to business angels when you compare with the VC funding scene in the US.
- jacquesm 3y agoPrecisely. Anybody ignoring that factor is limiting their understanding of why this keeps happening.
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- whiplash451 3y agoWhat are you waiting for to build it?
- rapsey 3y agoThere is no source of funding in Europe that can produce the billions raised by OpenAI in the US. Not even close.
- whiplash451 3y agoTotally untrue. Look at the VC money flowing to EU these days.
- frozencell 3y ago> ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? ChatGPT is not research. If you want real research: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/large-language-model-llama-meta-ai/ https://ai.facebook.com/blog/large-language-model-llama-meta... Edit: end paper is https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.13971 https://arxiv.org/abs/2302.13971 > Hugo Touvron, Thibaut Lavril, Gautier Izacard, Xavier Martinet, Marie-Anne Lachaux, Timothée Lacroix, Baptiste Rozière, Naman Goyal, Eric Hambro, Faisal Azhar, Aurelien Rodriguez, Armand Joulin, Edouard Grave, Guillaume Lample > We introduce LLaMA, a collection of foundation language models ranging from 7B to 65B parameters. We train our models on trillions of tokens, and show that it is possible to train state-of-the-art models using publicly available datasets exclusively, without resorting to proprietary and inaccessible datasets. In particular, LLaMA-13B outperforms GPT-3 (175B) on most benchmarks, and LLaMA-65B is competitive with the best models, Chinchilla-70B and PaLM-540B. We release all our models to the research community.
- olabyne 3y agoThat's a lot of french names there
- 0xDEF 3y agoThe Europeans behind Stable Diffusion (Stability.AI etc.) could have remained closed source and competed with MidJourney. Instead they open sourced their work. Last I checked MidJourney is valued at $1 billion and Stability.AI is struggling to survive.
- b3n 3y ago> I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes. Let's not forget that DeepMind is of EU origin, and they were one of the forces that kick started this whole AI renaissance.
- bjornsing 3y agoBut now they are not: the British were smart enough to jump off this sinking ship.
- snowpid 3y ago- Aleph Alpha creates LLMs for commercial usage - LAION (German organisation) published open assistant (though after your comment) - Stable Diffusion was developed in Germany.