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Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect. An undesirable place that
by P_I_Staker 4y ago
Didn't SF used to be freaking scary prior to blowing up? I've heard people talk about it like they do Miami, Baltimore, Detroit, ect.
An undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence.
I think I might be getting the story wrong, but I recall hearing there used to be much more crime.
- wombatpm 4y agoI never thought the issue was violent crime. More like the constant low-level theft and public urination from the homeless, drug addicts, and mentally ill.
- xyzelement 4y agoI don't understand why Miami is ln your list. It seems clean and thriving.
- microtherion 4y agoAccording to Wikipedia, Miami has nearly twice the murder rate of San Francisco, and more than three times the rate of New York City: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
- js2 4y ago11.23 per 100K. Tusla has a higher murder rate. You're about as likely to die in an automobile crash nation wide (11.1 per 100K), and in Florida, more likely (15.4 per 100K). https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7126a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7126a1.htm https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state... Lies, damned lies, and statistics. We're all afraid of all the wrong things.
- selimthegrim 4y agoAssuming you mean Tulsa, OK, rather than Tuzla, BH.
- js2 4y agoAh, indeed. I had to read your comment several times before I finally realized my typo.
- orangepurple 4y agoI was nearly shot by a gang in Miami for parking in front of the wrong house with a white panel van with tinted windows. Never had such an experience in any other US city. I managed to get away after a five minute high speed chase on city streets. Cops were nowhere in sight at any point and time was of the essence so calling 911 was not an option.
- asdff 4y agoIMO miami is a highly class segregated area. You really don't see the working class areas while there visiting or on vacation unless you go out of your way to see them.
- P_I_Staker 4y agoBecause I recently visited and two people were murdered in quick succession during spring break. They shut down Miami beach last year, due to back to back days of people shooting into crowds. In general, it just seemed wild and crazy. I really don't understand what you're talking about.
- kelnos 4y agoAre the incidents you witnessed the common case, or outliers? That kinda makes all the difference.
- drewda 4y agoA great read on that very topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_of_the_Witch:_Enchantment,_Terror,_and_Deliverance_in_the_City_of_Love https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season_of_the_Witch:_Enchantme...
- js2 4y agoThe crap? I grew up in Miami. It's a lovely city, not "an undesirable place that washed up people ended up, riddled with crime and violence." FFS.
- bilbo0s 4y agoIt's all about whatever world view or narrative makes us feel emotionally comfy these days. Calling Detroit, Baltimore and Miami war zones makes a lot of people out there feel emotionally comfortable. (And also illustrates how many of us are, fortunately, completely unfamiliar with actual war zones.) I wouldn't put too much weight in those kinds of comments.
- P_I_Staker 4y agoI get where you're coming from. However, my opinion was based on physically being there back to back years when there were multiple shootings in public places (though not at the actual shootings). That and the fact that it was extremely violent in the 80s. This isn't just some media driven hysteria.
- P_I_Staker 4y agoI'm sure it has nice spots and you can make a good life for yourself. However, I can assure you that historically, it's exactly that (though maybe not undesirable)
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- asveikau 4y agoSince the victim lived in Miami most recently, a lot of people writing about this case commented about crime statistics and it seemed to me that based on the data, Miami is a more dangerous place than San Francisco, with more murder, rape, assault, etc. I think where to draw the line is this "undesirable place" business. That's highly subjective, judgemental, and can cause you to lose sight of a lot.
- jjtheblunt 4y agoyou might be thinking of the pervasive non-violent crimes like people doing drugs in the bustling business and shopping districts and shitting right on the sidewalk in the same. it's long been infamous for that.
- pfisherman 4y agoMaybe Bayview / Hunter’s Point / Sunnydale. But SF has never been a dangerous place. Not like Oakland or Richmond. Crime was much higher everywhere in the 80s and 90s.
- mcguire 4y agoSF's population declined between 1950 and 1980, and it's homicide rate between roughly 1970 and the mid-1990s was up to 2 or 3 times what it is now.