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Pentagon leaks linked to young gun enthusiast who worked at military base
- throwaway29100 3y ago[flagged]
- krona 3y ago[flagged]
- klyrs 3y ago[flagged]
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- krona 3y agoI don't have the US statistics on hand, it was merely a reference to the fact that 1. Most people seem to think anti-semitism was invented in the 1930's, and 2. anti-semitism defines your politics. Neither are true.
- klyrs 3y agoYou really don't understand the term "neo-nazi" if you equate it with "National Socialist German Workers Party" and modern European leftists. That's my charitable take, anyway.
- krona 3y agoI think a 'charitable' take would be that you don't understand what I'm saying, at all. That's my charitable take.
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- qingdao99 3y agoSaying slurs doesn't mean you believe in a particular ideology. He may have just been saying them to be edgy (unless there is further evidence I have missed).
- howlingfantods 3y agoIf you can't judge someone by their actions, what can you judge them on?
- Rebelgecko 3y agoTheir words, apparently
- throwway120385 3y agoWords precede actions.
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- gadders 3y agoYou must not listen to politicians.
- throwway120385 3y agoI've been to several county council meetings as well as committee meetings for different interest groups in my locale. I know it looks like they don't get anything done but it's actually REALLY complicated because literally everyone is a stakeholder. The councilors that I've seen are not bad people and they don't try to lie. You're painting with a really broad brush if you think all politicians do nothing.
- senectus1 3y agoTheir elected representatives
- gadders 3y agoDepends what the anti-semitism was. If he shouted "Free Palestine" or joined BDS I doubt he would be called a nazi.
- timcavel 3y ago[dead]
- 0max 3y agoCommenting on the influence of money in politics also qualifies these days.
- gadders 3y agoYes! Or "I'm not a fan of globalism."
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- IAmGraydon 3y ago[flagged]
- matthewdgreen 3y agoYeah, it's not Nazism unless it originates from the Bavaria region of Germany. Everything else is just sparkling white supremacy.
- pastacacioepepe 3y agoDear God, the level of ignorance and passive aggressiveness in your comments is unbearable. Nazism is a well defined ideology with its own symbolysm. If you wear SS paraphernalia and glorify people like Hitler or his collaborators then yes you are a Nazi. If you just think that the "whites" are superior then you are only tangentially related to the Nazis but what you are is a white supremacist. So be careful when you call people Nazis, because following your logic if you don't like Communism you're also a Nazi.
- lamontcg 3y ago[flagged]
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- upsidesinclude 3y agoWhy does everything require framing? News should tell the events and leave it at that. Framing serves only to politicize.
- localplume 3y ago[dead]
- ursuscamp 3y agoDo you remember when mainstream media outlets like WaPo and The Guardian went out of their way to refuse to publish any details about the Trump resistance leaker, even after his identity became publicly known? Now they go out of their way to expose this one. Mainstream media outlets are really arms of the Western security state. I should hope this is absolutely clear to everyone at this point.
- localplume 3y ago[dead]
- frogblast 3y agoAlternatively, maybe it is clear to responsible media organizations that some leaks really are in the public interest, and some really are against the public interest. There was nothing scandalous in this leak to be exposed, but it does put the US's sources within Russia at risk.
- JKCalhoun 3y agoYou're suggesting that in all Mainstream media outlets there is someone who's taking their marching (or editorial) orders from someone in the state department. If true now that would be a story that someone would love to break.
- anon291 3y agoI mean, we know that both Twitter and Facebook took marching orders from both the state of California and the Biden administration and no one seemed to care, so whatever.
- mrkeen 3y agoThey lay out some pretty broad marching orders here: https://www.state.gov/information-for-journalists https://www.state.gov/information-for-journalists
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- notacoward 3y agoDistrusts the government, but also works for it? I'd call that a mole. The decades-long infiltration of the military by openly racist, anti-democratic, and even anti-government "people's militia" types needs to be stopped.
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- giantg2 3y ago"Distrusts the government, but also works for it?" Maybe not from the extremist/militia standpoint you mention, but in general people meeting your above statement are the type of people you want making the laws. They realize the potential abuses and should hopefully be creating safeguards against them (without wholly undermining the desired function). The people who blindly trust are the ones who create a system rife for future abuse to occur.
- notacoward 3y agoThere's a healthy skepticism, which I agree can be beneficial, and then there's a loathing as blind as any obedience or conformity can be. "Government is always the problem" or Reagan's "most terrifying words" if not outright QAnon/InfoWars insanity. This particular doofus seems to fall squarely into the second camp, not only undermining government function but putting lives at risk in the process. The efforts of white supremacists in particular to stuff the military (and law enforcement) with their members have been well documented for many years. https://tcf.org/content/commentary/dismantling-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-the-military-and-law-enforcement/ https://tcf.org/content/commentary/dismantling-white-suprema... https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-report-white-supremacists-seek-affiliation-military-law-enforcement-2021-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-report-white-supremacist... As I said, it needs to stop. Even military leadership agrees. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-threat-white-supremacists-inside-military-n1258871 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/pentagon-report-warns-...
- kmeisthax 3y agoTo be clear, the person in question does not distrust the government because they have a strong commitment to liberty. They distrust the government because they're not the ones wearing the boot.
- arminiusreturns 3y ago"The origins of the leaks on Thug Shaker Central was first reported on Sunday by the Bellingcat" Ok my warning alarm is going off. If you don't know Bellingcat has been at the center of some very shady assertions on "intel" they gathered, and thus I find this coming from them to be highly suspicious. I would caution people to not jump to conclusions on this one till more evidence is out, and keep in mind Bellingcat isn't trustworthy.
- vaughnegut 3y agoI thought bellingcat actually had a pretty decent track record, and they typically dump all their findings and their methods. They don't even have a "Controversy" section on wikipedia, which is a half-decent litmus test.
- potatototoo99 3y agoI think they suffer from the same criticism as Wikileaks. They may only report on facts, but picking what facts to publish and pursue can still be politically motivated. Edit: for instance just looking at their Wikipedia pages, there doesn't seem to be any story that makes the leaders of five-eyes countries look bad, aside from Trump, but I can think of several suspicious things from Trudeau to laptops. I think it is valid criticism to suspect of such a focus around Russia.
- orwin 3y agoThe reason why it's focused around russia is that russia have a really bad opsec for a major country. Sometimes they contradict themselves, use the wrong plane picture and manage to fail to remember the limits of plane URSS concieved (the MH17 was what pushed me to follow OSINT accounts btw). The last one i found egregious was Wagner going to a French FOB in Centrafrique (RCA) (the French army left a day prior) to bury african corpses. In daylight, speaking russian, not checking for camera, not jamming low-altitude drones. Obviously the French army kept the footage and waited to see who woultd publish the "French army killed locals and buried them" story. While when you have suspicions about recent USA operations (this leak non-wistanding), you find nothing. That's why i know for sure nord stream 1 and 2 were not done by Russia (we would have evidence already) and i suspect it's not the US that planned the destruction (or at least not the usual department) because of the boat we saw.
- EnigmaCurry 3y agoHow does a teenager gain top secret clearance to a SCIF?
- giantg2 3y agoThey don't. The man working on the government base did and then released it into a chat room that the teenager was a part of.
- prox 3y agoHow does a man working at a government base get to the point he releases top secret information?
- giantg2 3y agoI'm not sure what you mean. It's not unheard of.
- BonitaPersona 3y agoUntreated and neurotized insecurity makes one look for approval in the stupidest ways, and most harmful places. From the inside, however, the group pressure doesn't feel stupid. I guess.
- red-iron-pine 3y agoLotta people with clearances these days. Plus the military gets who they get; they can't offshore to India or try to poach talent in Croatia. So that means you get a right-wing nutjob from Kansas. That said, doesn't mean the military didn't screw up a bunch. Chelsea Manning had a long list of disciplinary issues to include fist-fights with superiors, and by all accounts should have had a clearance revoked and/or been booted out of MI. Also can't discount the power of bribes and/or propaganda. Russia and China have been going hard at right-wing sources with the goal of, among other things, stirring dissent and gaining a foothold in the military.
- UberFly 3y agoThe leaker's failures are obvious. The real failure by far is that access to this kind of "secret" material seems to be so easy to get.
- gsatic 3y agoInfo is exploding. Hard to keep track of everything. Probably impossible. I wont be surprised if they actually have some knowledge mgmt model that shows the point above which they cant keep tabs on everything. But its the govt. They are never going to admit that in public.
- yamazakiwi 3y agoThat's what makes this situation so bizarre. It's NOT that easy to get, and most of these classified materials are truncated and distributed separately. In the event of a leak, only a small amount of hard to assemble intelligence is exposed. It sounds to me like the entire command needs to be re-educated on handling intelligence.
- joncrane 3y agoHere's the thing: it's actually hard to get for all the wrong reasons. For example, if you've consumed cannabis in the past 12 months? Forget about it. Source: my interim access to Public Trust (several tiers below the type of information in these leaks) was revoked and final adjudication took 5 months because in November I admitted to partaking 4 months previous to filling out my first form.
- Tozen 3y agoThe impression is giving that certain kinds of people are given easier access, so slip through filters. And there level of access and what they can do is plain ridiculous, relative to their rank or job. Seemingly they can kind of easily rummage through whatever, which the Snowden case gives hints at. This guy supposedly had briefing slides from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. You would think that's near impossible, for someone at his level, but somehow it wasn't.
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- raphlinus 3y agoSome more links. Bellingcat broke the Discord server story 5 days ago[1]. The Washington Post has a stunning story, including barely obscured video (unaltered voice) from a teenager who was active in the group and considers himself a good friend of the leaker[2]. The Guardian story cites and quotes extensively from the WP story, so that should be considered the original source, but does add more context. Emptywheel (who has been pretty consistently excellent when it comes to leaks and the like) has more analysis[3]. [1]: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/04/09/from-discord-to-4chan-the-improbable-journey-of-a-us-defence-leak/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/04/09/from-discord-to-4... [2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/12/discord-documents-oxide-wow-mao/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/04/12/discord... [3]: https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/04/13/bear-versus-pig-on-the-thug-shaker-but-not-a-fascist-recruiting-site/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/04/13/bear-versus-pig-on-the...
- Overtonwindow 3y agoWashington post article: https://archive.is/8eHnp https://archive.is/8eHnp
- r721 3y ago>The leader of a small online gaming chat group where a trove of classified U.S. intelligence documents leaked over the last few months is a 21-year-old member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The New York Times. >The national guardsman, whose name is Jack Teixeira, oversaw a private online group named Thug Shaker Central, where about 20 to 30 people, mostly young men and teenagers, came together over a shared love of guns, racist online memes and video games. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leaker-identity.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/13/world/documents-leak-leak... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35557583 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35557583
- soundsabout 3y agosounds about right.
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- ifyoubuildit 3y agoSo many of the comments I've seen about this follow a similar pattern: 1) sounds like the leaker was a trumper, 2) I can't wait til he gets what he deserves. As with any leak of this kind, stories on the people involved make for juicy gossip, and everyone seems to fixate on that rather than the content.
- avidphantasm 3y agoI’m skeptical. This seems designed to give the government carte blanche to go after more of the rightwing types who got caught up in Jan 6. I don’t support what happened Jan 6, but I can’t help but notice how quickly it was use as an excuse for repression. Very predictable.
- failbuffer 3y agoThe government has been pushing for more power since... forever? Since the civil war at least. National security letters. Secret FISA court. Extraordinary rendention. Data taps on all major social media platforms, all telecos, and who knows what else. Warrantless searches within 50 miles of borders, shorelines, and international airports. Enhanced interrogations. Very few people in politics seem interested in curbing it. Yet what repression do you see in the Jan 6th cases? Wouldn't you expect to get arrested for breaking into any (super important) federal building and disrupting any (super important) government meeting? Is the government taking excessive action beyond fines and a few year's imprisonment? Moreover, from a geopolitical and law/order standpoint, wouldn't you see it as imperative for the government to take legal action in the wake of insurrections? Hasn't this been a weakness of costal cities (like with CHAV)? While I'm all for restraining government power, there are situations where it must be used or you effectively have anarchy.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> The government has been pushing for more power since... forever? [...] Secret FISA court. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was/is (and FISA more generally was/is) a constraint established on formerly-unconstrained executive-branch power after the Church Committee report, not an expansion of government powers (the War on Terror-era amendments to FISA loosened some of those restrictions, but still not to the pre-FISA state.) So, this is a particularly bad example for your claim.
- soundsabout 3y ago>I can’t help but notice how quickly it was use as an excuse for repression. Let's just ignore the irony of the folks with "don't tread on me stickers" next to their "thin blue line" stickers marching on the capital chanting about and barely failing to kill the Vice President of the United States, or sitting Senators, as we know they were within a hallway of them as they (our elected representatives) were fleeing and huddled for protection. But I guess the core of their protest, over-turning a democratic election, is really admirable. But charge them? Make them stand trial? How repressive indeed. edit: "who got caught up", too cute.
- Overtonwindow 3y agoSame mistake of reality winner.
- red-iron-pine 3y agoNot at all.
- throwoutway 3y agoFrom a different article it says he is a Air National Guard "cyber transport systems journeyman". Why does that role have access to such incredible amount of TS information? The Pentagon's lack of control of their data is asking for more leaks by the lowest level petty leakers
- londgine 3y agoWhere can I read the actual leaked documents. I noticed it mainly with MSM. They refuse to link to the original source material. Other media would almost always source their information
- pastacacioepepe 3y agoWhatever his reasoning was, this guy saved thousands of lives by forcing the delay of the Ukrainian counter-offensive. Still a more positive effect than some Peace Nobels had overall.