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Do you have any examples of them bucking the DNC establishment? I’ve never seen one. AFAICT state propaganda is exactly what they are.

mortenjorck 4y ago
State propaganda and party propaganda are the same thing in some countries, but fortunately not in the US.
minsc_and_boo 4y ago
Are you genuinely asking for examples, or are you just declaring your opinion in bad faith? NPR reports on DNC mishaps and criminals all the time: - https://www.npr.org/2017/11/16/564593737/sen-al-franken-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-la-model-and-radio-host https://www.npr.org/2017/11/16/564593737/sen-al-franken-accu... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/12/505309059/former-rep-chaka-fattah-sentenced-to-10-years-for-white-collar-crime-spree https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/12/505309059... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/19/529119721/anthony-weiner-pleads-guilty-to-charge-over-sexting-with-a-minor https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/19/529119721... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/568336597/ex-rep-corrine-brown-sentenced-to-5-years-for-stealing-from-bogus-charity https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/568336597... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/20/172480780/guilty-pleas-expected-from-jesse-jackson-jr-wife-over-lavish-spending https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/20/172480780...
- ghiculescu 4y ago
  I don't have a strong view on this yet, but I think some links that are less than 5 years old would make your argument more compelling.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    Agree, if there are not even 5 solid examples from the last 5 years, that's pretty suggestive.
  - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
    There haven't been criminal convictions of federal democratic politicians in the last 5 years to report on. Also, it's moving the goal posts.
    - ghiculescu 4y ago
      GP asked for literally any critical reporting. You missed the goal posts, they didn’t move.
      - travisporter 4y ago
        GP can provide non-NPR examples over the last five years maybe and cross-corelate with any NPR coverage to prove their point? I disagree, this is moving goalposts.
      - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
        GP asked for critical articles and received them. Changing the requirements to be for the last five years is moving the goalposts, by way of a no-true-scotsman.
LynxInLA 4y ago
Take it as you will, but the example they give is: > For example, NPR joined with other media organizations to press the Obama administration for access to closed hearings involving detainees held by U.S. authorities at Guantanamo Bay

mortenjorck 4y ago

State propaganda and party propaganda are the same thing in some countries, but fortunately not in the US.

minsc_and_boo 4y ago

Are you genuinely asking for examples, or are you just declaring your opinion in bad faith? NPR reports on DNC mishaps and criminals all the time: - https://www.npr.org/2017/11/16/564593737/sen-al-franken-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-la-model-and-radio-host https://www.npr.org/2017/11/16/564593737/sen-al-franken-accu... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/12/505309059/former-rep-chaka-fattah-sentenced-to-10-years-for-white-collar-crime-spree https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/12/505309059... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/19/529119721/anthony-weiner-pleads-guilty-to-charge-over-sexting-with-a-minor https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/19/529119721... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/568336597/ex-rep-corrine-brown-sentenced-to-5-years-for-stealing-from-bogus-charity https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/568336597... - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/20/172480780/guilty-pleas-expected-from-jesse-jackson-jr-wife-over-lavish-spending https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/20/172480780...

ghiculescu 4y ago
I don't have a strong view on this yet, but I think some links that are less than 5 years old would make your argument more compelling.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  Agree, if there are not even 5 solid examples from the last 5 years, that's pretty suggestive.
- minsc_and_boo 4y ago
  There haven't been criminal convictions of federal democratic politicians in the last 5 years to report on. Also, it's moving the goal posts.
  - ghiculescu 4y ago
    GP asked for literally any critical reporting. You missed the goal posts, they didn’t move.
    - travisporter 4y ago
      GP can provide non-NPR examples over the last five years maybe and cross-corelate with any NPR coverage to prove their point? I disagree, this is moving goalposts.
    - minsc_and_boo 4y ago
      GP asked for critical articles and received them. Changing the requirements to be for the last five years is moving the goalposts, by way of a no-true-scotsman.

LynxInLA 4y ago

Take it as you will, but the example they give is: > For example, NPR joined with other media organizations to press the Obama administration for access to closed hearings involving detainees held by U.S. authorities at Guantanamo Bay