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Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take persona

Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. > As if her own personal responsibility for whether or not she should be in the studio with The Beatles starts and ends with what John says, not with her own ability to read the room, to understand that she's not welcome. Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. > Except she is her own self, she was serving her own purpose by being there, even if it was at least in part in reverence of John's desires. Yeah, she was serving the purpose of helping out her partner and lover and mate. >We know for a fact that at least one Beatle was annoyed because Paul has plainly said her presence was unwelcome. I'm certain he was also quite annoyed with John, but he was independently annoyed by her being there. In fact I think most people would get quickly annoyed with Yoko being around them. Her "performances" are obnoxious and narcissistic. Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn.

least 4y ago
> Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. On the contrary, I'm quite convinced she did think she belonged, which is the problem. She was incapable of understanding the situation, John didn't care, and the other Beatles refused to confront John or Yoko about it despite it being quite clearly obtrusive. > Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. > Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn. As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed.
- freejazz 4y ago
  Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. >I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... They have to sleep together every night, it's understandable she's trying to do the right thing by him, even if it's not what I want. Further to that point, if she did show up, I wouldn't be angry at her, because my issue would be with my bandmate. You seem incredibly emotionally undeveloped tbh. >As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed. There's something wrong with you that you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm infantilizing her. A much more reasonable explanation is that I don't think she did anything wrong by doing what John asked her to do. You really got something going on and I don't want to be a part of it. Yoko haters are always like this.
  - least 4y ago
    > Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. John didn't care what other people thought about her being there because he was as self absorbed as she is. > Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... I wouldn't blame her for showing up, but I would blame her for continuing to sit in the room when it's quite clear that she wasn't welcome. Somehow the girlfriends of the other band members were able to figure this out. Either Yoko is dense or she just didn't care. the NY Times article paints it as if she knew exactly what she was doing and that it was somehow some sort of heroic effort.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      It’s totally the opposite. John absolutely did care what the others thought, that’s exactly why he brought her there. He knew it would bother them, and that’s exactly what he intended and cared to do. He wasn’t unconcerned whether they would feel one way or another. He was entirely aware he was pushing boundaries, and he was doing it to see where he stood with the other band members, and how bad they wanted/needed him. Once again, I think your perspective reflects a lack of emotional development w/r/t how you imagine Yoko and John i.e. that they are simply just self-obsessed and oblivious to anything besides their own desires. It’s clearly the opposite, John knew exactly what he was doing, and why he was doing it and the risks it brought. Your other point also reflects emotional immaturity. If my bandmate brought his gf to practice, I wouldn’t sit there and seethe at her (and it’s funny you describe it this way when the obvious takeaway from get back is how much her being there was a non-issue despite the visual and conceptual absurdity of her sitting there reading a book about the Beatles), I would bring it up with my bandmate. Like I pointed out before, and in Yoko’s case, she’s trying to do the right thing by her life partner, her lover, her husband, future father of her children, someone she was deeply into a heroin addiction with, which to her, supersedes anything she would owe to Paul or any other Beatle. It's pretty absurd for you to have suggested I was the one taking away her agency or infantilizing her, while you reject basic human emotions. You act like John passively asked her "Hey, wanna come to band practice?" wherein what he actually did was tell her that he needed her there in order to actually do it in the first place. This is all post-white album. That’s why you seem especially emotionally immature, if not outright just selfish. You (a) project it onto Yoko and John in order to eschew any other reasonable explanation, and (b) think that your bandmate’s partner owes you more than she owes your bandmate and that to do otherwise would just reflect not caring or being “dense”. I’d like to think you’d be a better partner to a potential better half of yours, but hey, clearly you don’t care! I hope they don’t either!

least 4y ago

> Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. On the contrary, I'm quite convinced she did think she belonged, which is the problem. She was incapable of understanding the situation, John didn't care, and the other Beatles refused to confront John or Yoko about it despite it being quite clearly obtrusive. > Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. > Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn. As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed.

freejazz 4y ago
Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. >I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... They have to sleep together every night, it's understandable she's trying to do the right thing by him, even if it's not what I want. Further to that point, if she did show up, I wouldn't be angry at her, because my issue would be with my bandmate. You seem incredibly emotionally undeveloped tbh. >As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed. There's something wrong with you that you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm infantilizing her. A much more reasonable explanation is that I don't think she did anything wrong by doing what John asked her to do. You really got something going on and I don't want to be a part of it. Yoko haters are always like this.
- least 4y ago
  > Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. John didn't care what other people thought about her being there because he was as self absorbed as she is. > Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... I wouldn't blame her for showing up, but I would blame her for continuing to sit in the room when it's quite clear that she wasn't welcome. Somehow the girlfriends of the other band members were able to figure this out. Either Yoko is dense or she just didn't care. the NY Times article paints it as if she knew exactly what she was doing and that it was somehow some sort of heroic effort.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    It’s totally the opposite. John absolutely did care what the others thought, that’s exactly why he brought her there. He knew it would bother them, and that’s exactly what he intended and cared to do. He wasn’t unconcerned whether they would feel one way or another. He was entirely aware he was pushing boundaries, and he was doing it to see where he stood with the other band members, and how bad they wanted/needed him. Once again, I think your perspective reflects a lack of emotional development w/r/t how you imagine Yoko and John i.e. that they are simply just self-obsessed and oblivious to anything besides their own desires. It’s clearly the opposite, John knew exactly what he was doing, and why he was doing it and the risks it brought. Your other point also reflects emotional immaturity. If my bandmate brought his gf to practice, I wouldn’t sit there and seethe at her (and it’s funny you describe it this way when the obvious takeaway from get back is how much her being there was a non-issue despite the visual and conceptual absurdity of her sitting there reading a book about the Beatles), I would bring it up with my bandmate. Like I pointed out before, and in Yoko’s case, she’s trying to do the right thing by her life partner, her lover, her husband, future father of her children, someone she was deeply into a heroin addiction with, which to her, supersedes anything she would owe to Paul or any other Beatle. It's pretty absurd for you to have suggested I was the one taking away her agency or infantilizing her, while you reject basic human emotions. You act like John passively asked her "Hey, wanna come to band practice?" wherein what he actually did was tell her that he needed her there in order to actually do it in the first place. This is all post-white album. That’s why you seem especially emotionally immature, if not outright just selfish. You (a) project it onto Yoko and John in order to eschew any other reasonable explanation, and (b) think that your bandmate’s partner owes you more than she owes your bandmate and that to do otherwise would just reflect not caring or being “dense”. I’d like to think you’d be a better partner to a potential better half of yours, but hey, clearly you don’t care! I hope they don’t either!