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Twitter themselves had a guide that explained why NPR and BBC were not labelled as such, which has been revised since, but is still archived. "State-financed m

Twitter themselves had a guide that explained why NPR and BBC were not labelled as such, which has been revised since, but is still archived. "State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy." https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitt...

kome 4y ago
but this opens the can of worm of defining "editorial independence". and I think that speaking of State-financed or Publicly-financed is a better.
- ajford 4y ago
  Sure. But then can we label SpaceX and Tesla as State-Financed? They are both sucking down way more money from the US Gov't than NPR is. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12#solarcity-receives-4975-million-in-grants-in-addition-to-tax-credits-by-2015-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-su... https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-exploration-technologies-spacex https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-explor...
  - kome 4y ago
    omg yes, between banks bailouts, law mandated insurances, private-pensions plans and companies with a huge public contribution (such as SpaceX); it would finally open the eyes to the public how much of "capitalism" is in fact politically created and directed. So yes, I really would like to see this.
    - ajford 4y ago
      Agreed! I also would love to see the flip-side and have congressional reps wear logos like in NASCAR. Let's be real fucking clear how many are solidly in the pocket of their corporate "donors".
trasz3 4y ago
Editorial independence in action: https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansing-chief-executive-officer-and-director/ https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansin...
- anoonmoose 4y ago
  you are asserting that having ever worked with the government necessarily means that you are silently, privately doing their editorial bidding on their behalf and I do not think that is reasonable or appropriate
  - trasz3 4y ago
    There's a subtle difference between "working with" and being the CEO.
stametseater 4y ago
> Twitter themselves had a guide that explained why NPR and BBC were not labelled as such > "State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy." That explains the what, not the why. It says they aren't going to consider BBC and NPR as state-affiliated, but not why they aren't going to consider them as state-affiliated. "Editorial independence" is a meaningless superlative that cannot be empirically measured through any means available to twitter. The "why" is because the "state affiliated" label was meant to be innuendo for "untrustworthy" and twitter, under previous management, did not consider NPR and BBC untrustworthy.
- _zn02 4y ago
  I think it explains the why quite clearly- editorial independence. It's a big deal. NPR is allowed to be critical of the US government in a way that RT is not.
  - trasz3 4y ago
    Have you ever considered the possible difference between what's officially allowed and what's actually happening? Nowadays, when information is abundant, individual stories don't matter all that much; what does matter is building the overall narrative. Allowing critical stories doesn't affect that.
    - anoonmoose 4y ago
      Dear guy who brags about ban evasion in his profile on his 3-month old account: thanks for getting me to check if HN had a block button.
      - trasz3 4y ago
        So, does it? xD
        4y ago

kome 4y ago

but this opens the can of worm of defining "editorial independence". and I think that speaking of State-financed or Publicly-financed is a better.

ajford 4y ago
Sure. But then can we label SpaceX and Tesla as State-Financed? They are both sucking down way more money from the US Gov't than NPR is. https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12#solarcity-receives-4975-million-in-grants-in-addition-to-tax-credits-by-2015-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-su... https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-exploration-technologies-spacex https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-explor...
- kome 4y ago
  omg yes, between banks bailouts, law mandated insurances, private-pensions plans and companies with a huge public contribution (such as SpaceX); it would finally open the eyes to the public how much of "capitalism" is in fact politically created and directed. So yes, I really would like to see this.
  - ajford 4y ago
    Agreed! I also would love to see the flip-side and have congressional reps wear logos like in NASCAR. Let's be real fucking clear how many are solidly in the pocket of their corporate "donors".

trasz3 4y ago

Editorial independence in action: https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansing-chief-executive-officer-and-director/ https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansin...

anoonmoose 4y ago
you are asserting that having ever worked with the government necessarily means that you are silently, privately doing their editorial bidding on their behalf and I do not think that is reasonable or appropriate
- trasz3 4y ago
  There's a subtle difference between "working with" and being the CEO.

stametseater 4y ago

> Twitter themselves had a guide that explained why NPR and BBC were not labelled as such > "State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy." That explains the what, not the why. It says they aren't going to consider BBC and NPR as state-affiliated, but not why they aren't going to consider them as state-affiliated. "Editorial independence" is a meaningless superlative that cannot be empirically measured through any means available to twitter. The "why" is because the "state affiliated" label was meant to be innuendo for "untrustworthy" and twitter, under previous management, did not consider NPR and BBC untrustworthy.

_zn02 4y ago
I think it explains the why quite clearly- editorial independence. It's a big deal. NPR is allowed to be critical of the US government in a way that RT is not.
- trasz3 4y ago
  Have you ever considered the possible difference between what's officially allowed and what's actually happening? Nowadays, when information is abundant, individual stories don't matter all that much; what does matter is building the overall narrative. Allowing critical stories doesn't affect that.
  - anoonmoose 4y ago
    Dear guy who brags about ban evasion in his profile on his 3-month old account: thanks for getting me to check if HN had a block button.
    - trasz3 4y ago
      So, does it? xD
      - 4y ago