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Is NPR state funded? (real question - I actually don't know). What is the definition of state funded? Here in Canada all the media take government subsidies esp

by euix 3y ago

Is NPR state funded? (real question - I actually don't know). What is the definition of state funded? Here in Canada all the media take government subsidies especially the big ones - a lot of that I think is the economics, they simply don't generate enough revenue on their own to sustain themselves so in the process of being subsidized by the federal govt they take on the viewpoint that can be considered statist. You just can't bite the hand that feeds you. The step that comes before independence of thoughts has to be independence of economics.

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago
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stefantalpalaru 3y ago
> Is NPR state funded? Yes, in part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR?useskin=vector#Funding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR?useskin=vector#Funding : "According to CPB, in 2009 11.3% of the aggregate revenues of all public radio broadcasting stations were funded from federal sources, principally through CPB; in 2012 10.9% of the revenues for Public Radio came from federal sources." "about 50% of NPR revenues come from the fees it charges member stations" "In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from federal, state and local government funding, 10% of their revenue from CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities."
kelipso 3y ago
34% of their budget comes from CPB, which is federal funding for local radio stations, and which NPR gets the money through local stations. They downplay this funding source and only mention the 1-4% that they get directly from local/state/federal government sources but clearly NPR would be dead without federal funding. [1] https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/does-npr-receive-less-1-its-funding-directly-federal-government https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/does-npr-receive-less-1-its...
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > 34% of their budget comes from CPB No. 34% goes to affiliate stations. A portion of that 34% goes to NPR indirectly through the fees they charge the affiliates to carry the programming. The affiliates are not NPR.
- veec_cas_tant 3y ago
  You are quoting that source incorrectly: >In its 2019 fiscal year, direct federal grants provided 0.6% of funding for National Public Radio... NPR does derive support indirectly, through payments from member stations that also get direct federal funding. > NPR relies on the local stations' payments for 34% of its budget. CPB estimates its support provided 8.2% of the average station's budget in 2017, but it's more important to affiliates in smaller, rural markets
- samschooler 3y ago
  This is still wrong though. From your source: > NPR relies on the local stations' payments for 34% of its budget. Local stations are not 100% government funded. > CPB estimates its support provided 8.2% of the average station's budget in 2017, but it's more important to affiliates in smaller, rural markets. If I do the math. An average station's budget is 8.2% from CPB, and 34% of the funding for NPR comes from local stations, taking that 8.2% of government money, and saying 8.2% of the 34% funding from local station it is 2.7% of NPR's budget from local stations. And 0.6% directly, so from _your source_ NPR is funded by 3.1% from CPB.
anoonmoose 3y ago
Here's Twitter's old definition of who is and isn't "state-affiliated". They have since changed it. Note that NPR was literally used as an example of someone who receives state funds but is not "state-affiliated". "State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy." https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitt...
trasz3 3y ago
It's not just that it's state-funded - NPR's CEO got there after years of heading the relevant US government propaganda agency, as evidenced in https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansing-chief-executive-officer-and-director/ https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansin....
- pionar 3y ago
  So is your argument that NPR is a mouthpiece for the US government? I think that requires some evidence, rather than flinging about flimsy associations like this.
  - trasz3 3y ago
    No, my argument is that an institution managed by past government officials cannot be unironically called independent from said government.
    - LastTrain 3y ago
      So every institution employing former government officials are state affiliated? Or does this just apply to ones you don't like?
      - anoonmoose 3y ago
        either would be silly tbh
      - trasz3 3y ago
        s/employing/led by/. Yeah, pretty much.

by euix 3y ago

AlgorithmicTime 3y ago

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stefantalpalaru 3y ago

> Is NPR state funded? Yes, in part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR?useskin=vector#Funding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR?useskin=vector#Funding : "According to CPB, in 2009 11.3% of the aggregate revenues of all public radio broadcasting stations were funded from federal sources, principally through CPB; in 2012 10.9% of the revenues for Public Radio came from federal sources." "about 50% of NPR revenues come from the fees it charges member stations" "In 2009, member stations derived 6% of their revenue from federal, state and local government funding, 10% of their revenue from CPB grants, and 14% of their revenue from universities."

kelipso 3y ago

34% of their budget comes from CPB, which is federal funding for local radio stations, and which NPR gets the money through local stations. They downplay this funding source and only mention the 1-4% that they get directly from local/state/federal government sources but clearly NPR would be dead without federal funding. [1] https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/does-npr-receive-less-1-its-funding-directly-federal-government https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/does-npr-receive-less-1-its...

JohnFen 3y ago
> 34% of their budget comes from CPB No. 34% goes to affiliate stations. A portion of that 34% goes to NPR indirectly through the fees they charge the affiliates to carry the programming. The affiliates are not NPR.
veec_cas_tant 3y ago
You are quoting that source incorrectly: >In its 2019 fiscal year, direct federal grants provided 0.6% of funding for National Public Radio... NPR does derive support indirectly, through payments from member stations that also get direct federal funding. > NPR relies on the local stations' payments for 34% of its budget. CPB estimates its support provided 8.2% of the average station's budget in 2017, but it's more important to affiliates in smaller, rural markets
samschooler 3y ago
This is still wrong though. From your source: > NPR relies on the local stations' payments for 34% of its budget. Local stations are not 100% government funded. > CPB estimates its support provided 8.2% of the average station's budget in 2017, but it's more important to affiliates in smaller, rural markets. If I do the math. An average station's budget is 8.2% from CPB, and 34% of the funding for NPR comes from local stations, taking that 8.2% of government money, and saying 8.2% of the 34% funding from local station it is 2.7% of NPR's budget from local stations. And 0.6% directly, so from _your source_ NPR is funded by 3.1% from CPB.

anoonmoose 3y ago

Here's Twitter's old definition of who is and isn't "state-affiliated". They have since changed it. Note that NPR was literally used as an example of someone who receives state funds but is not "state-affiliated". "State-financed media organizations with editorial independence, like the BBC in the UK or NPR in the US for example, are not defined as state-affiliated media for the purposes of this policy." https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated https://web.archive.org/web/20230404115255/https:/help.twitt...

trasz3 3y ago

It's not just that it's state-funded - NPR's CEO got there after years of heading the relevant US government propaganda agency, as evidenced in https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansing-chief-executive-officer-and-director/ https://www.usagm.gov/who-we-are/management-team/john-lansin....

pionar 3y ago
So is your argument that NPR is a mouthpiece for the US government? I think that requires some evidence, rather than flinging about flimsy associations like this.
- trasz3 3y ago
  No, my argument is that an institution managed by past government officials cannot be unironically called independent from said government.
  - LastTrain 3y ago
    So every institution employing former government officials are state affiliated? Or does this just apply to ones you don't like?
    - anoonmoose 3y ago
      either would be silly tbh
    - trasz3 3y ago
      s/employing/led by/. Yeah, pretty much.