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I don't know when this dataset was published from, but there was def a time when Ukraine news was beyond saturation.

phailhaus 3y ago
Because if he's going to claim to be the internet's town square, he can't pick and choose topics that he's personally 'tired of'.
madeofpalk 3y ago
It's the sort of thing I would expect on a highly opinionated Hacker News (iirc like how posts about Apple have a penalty applied to them to counteract massive usual interest in them), but less so on something more general audience like Twitter. I'm not really looking to twitter to say "Actually, we've all heard a bit too much about Tennis". I don't want Twitter's timeline to have an editorial voice.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  All social media algo timelines have an editorial voice. Otherwise, you would exclusively be seeing engagement bait.
  - simplotek 3y ago
    > All social media algo timelines have an editorial voice. Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse. Russia's invasion of Ukraine was hardcoded to be downranked like DMCA violations and high toxicity content. This has zero do to with "editorial voice" or other bullshit excuse. This was a blatant attempt to smuther any reference on what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      I was simply responding to the comment that was made.
    - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
      You have basically all traditional and social media pushing pointless and rushed news about Ukraine, a good part of which turn out to be incorrect later in time. Can we at least have one "safe space" where we don't have to constantly hear about death and glorification of weapons? Especially since we've never talked about Yemen or Syria with the same intensity.
      - matthewdgreen 3y ago
        I heard plenty about what was happening in Syria, much of which also involved untargeted Russian brutality waged against civilians. Happy to link you to some of the articles about “barrel bombs” if you don’t remember them.
        whimsicalism 3y ago
        I followed the Syrian war heavily and the suggestion that its coverage was comparable to the coverage Ukraine got is not true and I think we all know it is not true.
        matthewdgreen 3y ago
        I think we can both agree that the heavy degree of reporting in Ukraine is a good thing.
        pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        This must be the peak passive aggressive. Dare to explain why that is a good thing?
        pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        You have to actively go look for Syria (or Yemen) news, while Ukraine news come looking for you. I don't get why you feel the need to get on the offensive about Russia. The only case I'm making is that being constantly subjected to rushed war news pieces isn't of any use except the instigation of primal/emotional reactions. The most trustworthy information will be disclosed after the war is over anyway, when the need for propaganda diminishes.
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      Last week I made deviled eggs with hollandaise sauce. I posted it on a few websites that you'd consider social media. What connection does the war have with my deviled eggs? If you can answer that and not consider yourself a lunatic demanding your singular topic to be at the forefront for all people at all times, then consider yourself the most important person in the world. I click away from conversations dealing with AI because they tend to be filled with people scared about something that does not exist or a blatant misunderstanding of what a tool does. I close websites that have enormous spins on topics I am intimately familiar with either lies through omission or generally ignorant statements that demonstrate no understanding of what is the main topic. Today, after posting this comment, I will click off Hackernews, because your comment is an example of the weird behavior that infests discussions across the internet, demanding only their position be the correct one even in the face of normal, good faith explanations for why your position may be not be correct. I know I am being a major hypocrite because I've insulted you in the previous section and in this one as well, but that doesn't matter to me right now. Hackernews will lose my engagement today, and if I am ever asked why I left, that blame is going to be you. I may not/won't return for a while. At best, I'll be here tomorrow, at worst I will never return. The effect that may have on Hackernews is to be determined, but what is known to whoever at all cares about engagement is they've lost a user.
- luckylion 3y ago
  If I recall correctly, Twitter has explicitly said before that they do rank topics very differently because otherwise Justin Bieber would be trending all day, every day.
  - simplotek 3y ago
    Twitter's source code does not ban Justin Bieber content as if it was DMCA violations. That's not it.
- pastacacioepepe 3y ago
  Or maybe they try to avoid the kind of discussion that more often than not degenerates into low quality/bot content or outright flamewars. On the other end of the spectrum, FB allowed war posts urging violence against Russian. Thanks but I prefer to not be subjected to constant hate speech and the militarization of any discourse. Try to visit reddit these days, it's become a cesspool of war propaganda and military glorification.
  - takeda 3y ago
    Whatever they did, they quickly removed that piece of code when it was pointed out. Similarly as they removed the piece code that was categorizing tweets posted by Elon or one of both US political parties.

Because if he's going to claim to be the internet's town square, he can't pick and choose topics that he's personally 'tired of'.

madeofpalk 3y ago

It's the sort of thing I would expect on a highly opinionated Hacker News (iirc like how posts about Apple have a penalty applied to them to counteract massive usual interest in them), but less so on something more general audience like Twitter. I'm not really looking to twitter to say "Actually, we've all heard a bit too much about Tennis". I don't want Twitter's timeline to have an editorial voice.

whimsicalism 3y ago
All social media algo timelines have an editorial voice. Otherwise, you would exclusively be seeing engagement bait.
- simplotek 3y ago
  > All social media algo timelines have an editorial voice. Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse. Russia's invasion of Ukraine was hardcoded to be downranked like DMCA violations and high toxicity content. This has zero do to with "editorial voice" or other bullshit excuse. This was a blatant attempt to smuther any reference on what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    I was simply responding to the comment that was made.
  - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
    You have basically all traditional and social media pushing pointless and rushed news about Ukraine, a good part of which turn out to be incorrect later in time. Can we at least have one "safe space" where we don't have to constantly hear about death and glorification of weapons? Especially since we've never talked about Yemen or Syria with the same intensity.
    - matthewdgreen 3y ago
      I heard plenty about what was happening in Syria, much of which also involved untargeted Russian brutality waged against civilians. Happy to link you to some of the articles about “barrel bombs” if you don’t remember them.
      - whimsicalism 3y ago
        I followed the Syrian war heavily and the suggestion that its coverage was comparable to the coverage Ukraine got is not true and I think we all know it is not true.
        matthewdgreen 3y ago
        I think we can both agree that the heavy degree of reporting in Ukraine is a good thing.
        pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        This must be the peak passive aggressive. Dare to explain why that is a good thing?
      - pastacacioepepe 3y ago
        You have to actively go look for Syria (or Yemen) news, while Ukraine news come looking for you. I don't get why you feel the need to get on the offensive about Russia. The only case I'm making is that being constantly subjected to rushed war news pieces isn't of any use except the instigation of primal/emotional reactions. The most trustworthy information will be disclosed after the war is over anyway, when the need for propaganda diminishes.
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    Last week I made deviled eggs with hollandaise sauce. I posted it on a few websites that you'd consider social media. What connection does the war have with my deviled eggs? If you can answer that and not consider yourself a lunatic demanding your singular topic to be at the forefront for all people at all times, then consider yourself the most important person in the world. I click away from conversations dealing with AI because they tend to be filled with people scared about something that does not exist or a blatant misunderstanding of what a tool does. I close websites that have enormous spins on topics I am intimately familiar with either lies through omission or generally ignorant statements that demonstrate no understanding of what is the main topic. Today, after posting this comment, I will click off Hackernews, because your comment is an example of the weird behavior that infests discussions across the internet, demanding only their position be the correct one even in the face of normal, good faith explanations for why your position may be not be correct. I know I am being a major hypocrite because I've insulted you in the previous section and in this one as well, but that doesn't matter to me right now. Hackernews will lose my engagement today, and if I am ever asked why I left, that blame is going to be you. I may not/won't return for a while. At best, I'll be here tomorrow, at worst I will never return. The effect that may have on Hackernews is to be determined, but what is known to whoever at all cares about engagement is they've lost a user.
luckylion 3y ago
If I recall correctly, Twitter has explicitly said before that they do rank topics very differently because otherwise Justin Bieber would be trending all day, every day.
- simplotek 3y ago
  Twitter's source code does not ban Justin Bieber content as if it was DMCA violations. That's not it.
pastacacioepepe 3y ago
Or maybe they try to avoid the kind of discussion that more often than not degenerates into low quality/bot content or outright flamewars. On the other end of the spectrum, FB allowed war posts urging violence against Russian. Thanks but I prefer to not be subjected to constant hate speech and the militarization of any discourse. Try to visit reddit these days, it's become a cesspool of war propaganda and military glorification.
- takeda 3y ago
  Whatever they did, they quickly removed that piece of code when it was pointed out. Similarly as they removed the piece code that was categorizing tweets posted by Elon or one of both US political parties.