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Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly pr

by vkou 4y ago

Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Even getting into a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty isn't going to help you. An extradition treaty is just a streamlined process for extraditing criminals - unless you're a natural citizen, or there's a particular geopolitical reason (Snowden), there's ~zero reason for why your host country won't make a one-off exemption for you.

wisnoskij 4y ago
Being on the run is not exactly the same thing as living in some 10 million dollar mansion in some non-extradition country. What would the feds be willing to pay for her? Snowden got asylum so some minor power could piss off and show up a geo-political rival. She would just gift 1 million dollars to some king who would just claim that she was not in his county when America came asking for her extradition.
fhrow4484 4y ago
> 11 years playing golf Not quite sure there's a golf course there. Here's an overview of the same jail a "real housewives of salt lake city" is in. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-prison-life-cold-cells-18-cents-pay/amp/ https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-pris... "It’s unclear why Shah asked to serve at that specific prison but People says other notable inmates who have been sent to the Bryan camp have included Hidalgo County, Texas, Commissioner Sylvia Handy; Jenna Ryan, who participated in the January 6 Capitol attack; and Lea Fastow, a former assistant treasurer at Enron." https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-prison-sentence-bryan/ https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-... I wonder if the buildings have A/C. Summer in Texas can be pretty hot
nobody9999 4y ago
>Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Except Martha Stewart was released from prison 18 years ago[0], Bernie Madoff is male, so is in a men's prison and those with Federal prison sentences of ten years or longer are not eligible for minimum security (or "club fed", as you put it) facilities[1]. As such, she will likely serve her sentence in a "low security" facility rather than a "minimum security" facility[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart [1] I searched around and couldn't find the specific rules. However, I posted here (several years ago, not going to go through a few hundred pages of posting history to find it. Sorry.) about wanting to commit a non-violent, Federal felony and receive a long Federal prison sentence in a minimum security ("club fed") facility as a retirement strategy on a par with Medicaid funded assisted living facilities. The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) to be eligible. I was informed, with links that sentences of ten years or more are not eligible for Federal minimum security facilities.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) Medicaid is a state-federal program, and states may have higher asset limits (Californa, for instance, raised it from the federal baseline $2000 individual/$3000 married couple to $130,000 + $65,000 for additional family member.)
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >Medicaid is a state-federal program, and states may have higher asset limits (Californa, for instance, raised it from the federal baseline $2000 individual/$3000 married couple to $130,000 + $65,000 for additional family member.) I was unaware that there was variation by state. Thanks for sharing that!
- vkou 4y ago
  I'm well aware of Martha Stewart's current status as an ex-con, and that Bernie Madoff died two years ago. Either way, while Mrs. Holmes won't quite have an 18-hole golf course at her new digs, my point still stands. She'll be out before she's 50.
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    Sorry for the late reply. So you think Holmes got off too lightly, yes? Maybe she did. I don't know. Eleven years is a pretty long time, especially if you're in a crowded place without the ability to leave. What would you suggest instead? Put her in a male supermax prison and let the inmates have at her? Or just put two bullets in the back of her head? Either way, it's no skin off my nose. Although, TBH I think an extended supermax prison-wide gang rape might be overkill. But I'd be fine with two in the back of the head.

by vkou 4y ago

wisnoskij 4y ago

Being on the run is not exactly the same thing as living in some 10 million dollar mansion in some non-extradition country. What would the feds be willing to pay for her? Snowden got asylum so some minor power could piss off and show up a geo-political rival. She would just gift 1 million dollars to some king who would just claim that she was not in his county when America came asking for her extradition.

fhrow4484 4y ago

> 11 years playing golf Not quite sure there's a golf course there. Here's an overview of the same jail a "real housewives of salt lake city" is in. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-prison-life-cold-cells-18-cents-pay/amp/ https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-pris... "It’s unclear why Shah asked to serve at that specific prison but People says other notable inmates who have been sent to the Bryan camp have included Hidalgo County, Texas, Commissioner Sylvia Handy; Jenna Ryan, who participated in the January 6 Capitol attack; and Lea Fastow, a former assistant treasurer at Enron." https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-prison-sentence-bryan/ https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-... I wonder if the buildings have A/C. Summer in Texas can be pretty hot

nobody9999 4y ago

>Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Except Martha Stewart was released from prison 18 years ago[0], Bernie Madoff is male, so is in a men's prison and those with Federal prison sentences of ten years or longer are not eligible for minimum security (or "club fed", as you put it) facilities[1]. As such, she will likely serve her sentence in a "low security" facility rather than a "minimum security" facility[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart [1] I searched around and couldn't find the specific rules. However, I posted here (several years ago, not going to go through a few hundred pages of posting history to find it. Sorry.) about wanting to commit a non-violent, Federal felony and receive a long Federal prison sentence in a minimum security ("club fed") facility as a retirement strategy on a par with Medicaid funded assisted living facilities. The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) to be eligible. I was informed, with links that sentences of ten years or more are not eligible for Federal minimum security facilities.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) Medicaid is a state-federal program, and states may have higher asset limits (Californa, for instance, raised it from the federal baseline $2000 individual/$3000 married couple to $130,000 + $65,000 for additional family member.)
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >Medicaid is a state-federal program, and states may have higher asset limits (Californa, for instance, raised it from the federal baseline $2000 individual/$3000 married couple to $130,000 + $65,000 for additional family member.) I was unaware that there was variation by state. Thanks for sharing that!
vkou 4y ago
I'm well aware of Martha Stewart's current status as an ex-con, and that Bernie Madoff died two years ago. Either way, while Mrs. Holmes won't quite have an 18-hole golf course at her new digs, my point still stands. She'll be out before she's 50.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  Sorry for the late reply. So you think Holmes got off too lightly, yes? Maybe she did. I don't know. Eleven years is a pretty long time, especially if you're in a crowded place without the ability to leave. What would you suggest instead? Put her in a male supermax prison and let the inmates have at her? Or just put two bullets in the back of her head? Either way, it's no skin off my nose. Although, TBH I think an extended supermax prison-wide gang rape might be overkill. But I'd be fine with two in the back of the head.