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> Have you been in a band? Yes, I have. > You wouldn't be annoyed at Yoko, you'd be annoyed at John for bringing her into practice like that and insisting tha

by least 4y ago

> Have you been in a band? Yes, I have. > You wouldn't be annoyed at Yoko, you'd be annoyed at John for bringing her into practice like that and insisting that she belongs... I'd be annoyed with both for different reasons.

freejazz 4y ago
Well John brought her in and insisted that she be there because she was part of him and he couldn't do it without her there, so I don't know why you'd be annoyed at her tbh. John was being incredibly obnoxious and obviously trying to get his bandmates riled up about it.
- least 4y ago
  > Well John brought her in and insisted that she be there because she was part of him and he couldn't do it without her there, so I don't know why you'd be annoyed at her tbh. This is basically saying that she has no agency over her own actions, when clearly that is not the case.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    I'm not sure how you got to that, I don't think so at all. In fact, I'm positive, any reasonable reading of what I said leaves highways of space between a lack of agency and what she did.
    - least 4y ago
      You're absolving her of all blame because John wanted to be there. As if her own personal responsibility for whether or not she should be in the studio with The Beatles starts and ends with what John says, not with her own ability to read the room, to understand that she's not welcome. That is, by reasonable standards, implying that she lacks personal agency. That she cannot make the decision for herself and thus is not responsible or deserving of the ire she earned while at the studio. Except she is her own self, she was serving her own purpose by being there, even if it was at least in part in reverence of John's desires. We know for a fact that at least one Beatle was annoyed because Paul has plainly said her presence was unwelcome. I'm certain he was also quite annoyed with John, but he was independently annoyed by her being there. In fact I think most people would get quickly annoyed with Yoko being around them. Her "performances" are obnoxious and narcissistic.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. > As if her own personal responsibility for whether or not she should be in the studio with The Beatles starts and ends with what John says, not with her own ability to read the room, to understand that she's not welcome. Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. > Except she is her own self, she was serving her own purpose by being there, even if it was at least in part in reverence of John's desires. Yeah, she was serving the purpose of helping out her partner and lover and mate. >We know for a fact that at least one Beatle was annoyed because Paul has plainly said her presence was unwelcome. I'm certain he was also quite annoyed with John, but he was independently annoyed by her being there. In fact I think most people would get quickly annoyed with Yoko being around them. Her "performances" are obnoxious and narcissistic. Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn.
        least 4y ago
        > Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. On the contrary, I'm quite convinced she did think she belonged, which is the problem. She was incapable of understanding the situation, John didn't care, and the other Beatles refused to confront John or Yoko about it despite it being quite clearly obtrusive. > Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. > Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn. As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed.
        freejazz 4y ago
        Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. >I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... They have to sleep together every night, it's understandable she's trying to do the right thing by him, even if it's not what I want. Further to that point, if she did show up, I wouldn't be angry at her, because my issue would be with my bandmate. You seem incredibly emotionally undeveloped tbh. >As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed. There's something wrong with you that you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm infantilizing her. A much more reasonable explanation is that I don't think she did anything wrong by doing what John asked her to do. You really got something going on and I don't want to be a part of it. Yoko haters are always like this.

by least 4y ago

freejazz 4y ago

Well John brought her in and insisted that she be there because she was part of him and he couldn't do it without her there, so I don't know why you'd be annoyed at her tbh. John was being incredibly obnoxious and obviously trying to get his bandmates riled up about it.

least 4y ago
> Well John brought her in and insisted that she be there because she was part of him and he couldn't do it without her there, so I don't know why you'd be annoyed at her tbh. This is basically saying that she has no agency over her own actions, when clearly that is not the case.
- freejazz 4y ago
  I'm not sure how you got to that, I don't think so at all. In fact, I'm positive, any reasonable reading of what I said leaves highways of space between a lack of agency and what she did.
  - least 4y ago
    You're absolving her of all blame because John wanted to be there. As if her own personal responsibility for whether or not she should be in the studio with The Beatles starts and ends with what John says, not with her own ability to read the room, to understand that she's not welcome. That is, by reasonable standards, implying that she lacks personal agency. That she cannot make the decision for herself and thus is not responsible or deserving of the ire she earned while at the studio. Except she is her own self, she was serving her own purpose by being there, even if it was at least in part in reverence of John's desires. We know for a fact that at least one Beatle was annoyed because Paul has plainly said her presence was unwelcome. I'm certain he was also quite annoyed with John, but he was independently annoyed by her being there. In fact I think most people would get quickly annoyed with Yoko being around them. Her "performances" are obnoxious and narcissistic.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. > As if her own personal responsibility for whether or not she should be in the studio with The Beatles starts and ends with what John says, not with her own ability to read the room, to understand that she's not welcome. Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. > Except she is her own self, she was serving her own purpose by being there, even if it was at least in part in reverence of John's desires. Yeah, she was serving the purpose of helping out her partner and lover and mate. >We know for a fact that at least one Beatle was annoyed because Paul has plainly said her presence was unwelcome. I'm certain he was also quite annoyed with John, but he was independently annoyed by her being there. In fact I think most people would get quickly annoyed with Yoko being around them. Her "performances" are obnoxious and narcissistic. Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn.
      - least 4y ago
        > Seems like you are projecting a bit. I'm not sure she'd agree that she also doesn't belong. So, the fact that you do doesn't really mean she should take personal blame for it. That's pretty ridiculous if you think about it. On the contrary, I'm quite convinced she did think she belonged, which is the problem. She was incapable of understanding the situation, John didn't care, and the other Beatles refused to confront John or Yoko about it despite it being quite clearly obtrusive. > Her partner asked her to be there for him... No one else expressed anything otherwise, because they knew how John would react. I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. > Big coming from you with this kind of posting. Yawn. As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed.
        freejazz 4y ago
        Not sure how you could say John didn't care when he clearly did. >I'm not denying that it's a failure on multiple people's parts, but you're just pretending like Yoko doesn't share any of that responsibility herself. Because I wouldn't blame my bandmate's gf for showing up when he asked her to... They have to sleep together every night, it's understandable she's trying to do the right thing by him, even if it's not what I want. Further to that point, if she did show up, I wouldn't be angry at her, because my issue would be with my bandmate. You seem incredibly emotionally undeveloped tbh. >As opposed to your kind of posting that's infantilizing grown women on top of your inability to empathize. Yawn indeed. There's something wrong with you that you immediately jump to the conclusion that I'm infantilizing her. A much more reasonable explanation is that I don't think she did anything wrong by doing what John asked her to do. You really got something going on and I don't want to be a part of it. Yoko haters are always like this.