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This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. T

This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.

kdmccormick 4y ago
I posted this on your other comment, but I'll post it here again. Leaving without 2 weeks notice seems like a good way to incinerate your professional relationship with your outgoing manager/teammates. I guess if you would never use them for a reference anyway, that's fine, but what if you do want to use them as a reference in the future? Or is your experience that your former team didn't actually mind that you just quit one day?
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- kevinventullo 4y ago
  Explain to them why you had to do it this way; it’s a consequence of companies rescinding offers at the last second.
  - kdmccormick 4y ago
    Are you speaking from experience?
  - cortesoft 4y ago
    If you are a good employee and you handle your departure professionally, you can instead tell your old employer that your new job fell through and go back to your old job. If you burn your bridges on your way out, then you can never go back. What happens if your new job lets you go after a week? If you are worried about a job pulling an offer a week before you start, you should be worried about it being pulled a week after you start. You are protecting yourself from an offer being pulled before you start by exposing yourself to extra risk if they pull the offer after you start. It seems like a poor trade.
jlkuester7 4y ago
My general advice to new folks entering the workforce for the first time is that they remember "the company" (especially big public cooperations) does not care about them. The company's only real priority is to provide value to its shareholders and the best case scenario for employees is that management sees an alignment between treating employees well and increasing the stock price. As such, the company does not deserve any more from you than you are contractually obligated to provide. That being said, for many roles a lack of notice for your resignation is going to have the most significant negative impact on your immediate team, manager, and coworkers. HR and the CTO will not care, but the engineers you have been sitting next to for the last few years could be put in a tight spot.
TheRealPomax 4y ago
Why would it be fair and reasonable to the company that didn't pull the offer? Seems pretty bizarre to justify being a jerk to someone yourself because a completely unrelated party is a jerk to you (or, in your scenario, you don't even know whether they'll be a jerk to you, making it even weirder). All you're doing is making it impossible for your own company to start the process of spreading the loss of an FTE, and actively making the lives of your colleagues terrible.
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haspok 4y ago
I'm not sure which part of the world you are in, but for example in Europe it is common to have 1 month as a minimum notice period, and not uncommon to have 3 or even 6 months (this latter usually if you stay at a company for a long time). It is also common in certain countries to either get a "reference" letter from previous employers or provide a reference about a person in email or on the phone - going back to 3 or 5 years. And finally, we are talking about moving countries, if not continents. Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows... and this becomes a rather more difficult and time consuming process.
- joshmanders 4y ago
  > I'm not sure which part of the world you are in Most likely the US, where at-will employment is the norm. Companies can let you go immediately but you're "obligated" to provide an at-minimum 2 week notice. OP is stating they don't have to give such notices, so we should change the narrative and treat them the same way we get treated. I agree wholeheartedly with this.
- marcosdumay 4y ago
  > Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows... Hum... If you are on the middle of your life, with all of the responsibilities of the world, this becomes more important, not less. Get your suitcase and move there, then slowly detach your responsibilities from your previous city. Doing it beforehand just adds a lot of time when everything will break. Yes, it's hard. The other way around is hard too, and way more risky.
Uvix 4y ago
That punishes your old employer, not the one who's in a position to pull the offer. It's fine, as long as you never want to go back.
cortesoft 4y ago
Every single job I have had since my first have been working with people I worked with before. If you burn all your bridges every time you change jobs, you are going to have a bad time.
- joshmanders 4y ago
  I've been in this industry for 25 years, never once have I ever felt the need to go back to a previous job. Can we please stop parroting this notion that we have to bend the knee to companies who would drop us without questioning?
  - cortesoft 4y ago
    I am not saying going back to the same job, I am saying working with the same people at a new job. All of my former bosses have tried to recruit me to any new company they move to, and that is partly because I am always professional if I leave a company. I have zero loyalty to a company, but I have loyalty to my coworkers.
    - joshmanders 4y ago
      Not giving a 2 week notice is not unprofessional. And if you don't get recruited/"a good recommendation" from them for it, chances are that bridge burning was worthwhile.
      - cortesoft 4y ago
        So giving zero notice is not unprofessional? I have a ton of important things I am doing at work, if I left without doing any work to transition that work to new people, it is going to put all the people at my company in a tough position. They could figure it out eventually, but it would be a lot of extra work for my coworkers that could be avoided if I spent two weeks working with the team to transition the work.
        joshmanders 4y ago

kdmccormick 4y ago

I posted this on your other comment, but I'll post it here again. Leaving without 2 weeks notice seems like a good way to incinerate your professional relationship with your outgoing manager/teammates. I guess if you would never use them for a reference anyway, that's fine, but what if you do want to use them as a reference in the future? Or is your experience that your former team didn't actually mind that you just quit one day?

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kevinventullo 4y ago
Explain to them why you had to do it this way; it’s a consequence of companies rescinding offers at the last second.
- kdmccormick 4y ago
  Are you speaking from experience?
- cortesoft 4y ago
  If you are a good employee and you handle your departure professionally, you can instead tell your old employer that your new job fell through and go back to your old job. If you burn your bridges on your way out, then you can never go back. What happens if your new job lets you go after a week? If you are worried about a job pulling an offer a week before you start, you should be worried about it being pulled a week after you start. You are protecting yourself from an offer being pulled before you start by exposing yourself to extra risk if they pull the offer after you start. It seems like a poor trade.

jlkuester7 4y ago

My general advice to new folks entering the workforce for the first time is that they remember "the company" (especially big public cooperations) does not care about them. The company's only real priority is to provide value to its shareholders and the best case scenario for employees is that management sees an alignment between treating employees well and increasing the stock price. As such, the company does not deserve any more from you than you are contractually obligated to provide. That being said, for many roles a lack of notice for your resignation is going to have the most significant negative impact on your immediate team, manager, and coworkers. HR and the CTO will not care, but the engineers you have been sitting next to for the last few years could be put in a tight spot.

TheRealPomax 4y ago

Why would it be fair and reasonable to the company that didn't pull the offer? Seems pretty bizarre to justify being a jerk to someone yourself because a completely unrelated party is a jerk to you (or, in your scenario, you don't even know whether they'll be a jerk to you, making it even weirder). All you're doing is making it impossible for your own company to start the process of spreading the loss of an FTE, and actively making the lives of your colleagues terrible.

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haspok 4y ago

I'm not sure which part of the world you are in, but for example in Europe it is common to have 1 month as a minimum notice period, and not uncommon to have 3 or even 6 months (this latter usually if you stay at a company for a long time). It is also common in certain countries to either get a "reference" letter from previous employers or provide a reference about a person in email or on the phone - going back to 3 or 5 years. And finally, we are talking about moving countries, if not continents. Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows... and this becomes a rather more difficult and time consuming process.

joshmanders 4y ago
> I'm not sure which part of the world you are in Most likely the US, where at-will employment is the norm. Companies can let you go immediately but you're "obligated" to provide an at-minimum 2 week notice. OP is stating they don't have to give such notices, so we should change the narrative and treat them the same way we get treated. I agree wholeheartedly with this.
marcosdumay 4y ago
> Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows... Hum... If you are on the middle of your life, with all of the responsibilities of the world, this becomes more important, not less. Get your suitcase and move there, then slowly detach your responsibilities from your previous city. Doing it beforehand just adds a lot of time when everything will break. Yes, it's hard. The other way around is hard too, and way more risky.

Uvix 4y ago

That punishes your old employer, not the one who's in a position to pull the offer. It's fine, as long as you never want to go back.

cortesoft 4y ago

Every single job I have had since my first have been working with people I worked with before. If you burn all your bridges every time you change jobs, you are going to have a bad time.

joshmanders 4y ago
I've been in this industry for 25 years, never once have I ever felt the need to go back to a previous job. Can we please stop parroting this notion that we have to bend the knee to companies who would drop us without questioning?
- cortesoft 4y ago
  I am not saying going back to the same job, I am saying working with the same people at a new job. All of my former bosses have tried to recruit me to any new company they move to, and that is partly because I am always professional if I leave a company. I have zero loyalty to a company, but I have loyalty to my coworkers.
  - joshmanders 4y ago
    Not giving a 2 week notice is not unprofessional. And if you don't get recruited/"a good recommendation" from them for it, chances are that bridge burning was worthwhile.
    - cortesoft 4y ago
      So giving zero notice is not unprofessional? I have a ton of important things I am doing at work, if I left without doing any work to transition that work to new people, it is going to put all the people at my company in a tough position. They could figure it out eventually, but it would be a lot of extra work for my coworkers that could be avoided if I spent two weeks working with the team to transition the work.
      - joshmanders 4y ago