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Happy to admit it's a crazy idea, and it's not something that I would want to see as a usual way to built sites. But for small areas of web apps where compatibi

Happy to admit it's a crazy idea, and it's not something that I would want to see as a usual way to built sites. But for small areas of web apps where compatibility is difficult it does make sense. Google Docs used to be contenteditable based, but moved to a custom rendering engine. They are a large enough company to be able to invest in that. Small businesses aren't, and have to rely on content editable. Ladybird as a contenteditable polyfill would help smaller teams, or single developers, achieve the same, while also building on the existing tooling and APIs for contenteditable.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
What is “content editable”?
- mkl 4y ago
  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/contenteditable https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_att... It's an HTML attribute that makes content (mainly text) editable by end users.
- codetrotter 4y ago
  https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/contenteditable https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_att... Basically if you set the content editable attribute on an element then the user can edit the content of the element directly Here is an example using it: https://codepen.io/caraya/pen/ZyQMWd https://codepen.io/caraya/pen/ZyQMWd
Brian_K_White 4y ago
"Google Docs used to be contenteditable based, but moved to a custom rendering engine." Is THAT why you can't cut & paste with the mouse in google docs like you can on every other site? Take me back to the old way then please.
- andrekandre 4y ago
  yep, the use canvas to render everything now https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-Canvas-Based-Rendering-Update.html https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-...
  - still_grokking 4y ago
    I didn't know that. Very interesting! Isn't this actually prove that creating desktop grate applications, like a graphical word processor form the late 90's & some colab backend, is still infeasible with web tech? Doesn't it also prove that it's still easier and faster to create a proper app and GUI toolkit yourself and just render pixels to the screen (as all desktop GUI toolkits do these days) instead of fighting the browser tech idiosyncrasies, even a proper app and GUI stack isn't trivial in itself?
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      > Doesn't it also prove that it's still easier and faster to create a proper app and GUI toolkit yourself and just render pixels to the screen (as all desktop GUI toolkits do these days) instead of fighting the browser tech idiosyncrasies, even a proper app and GUI stack isn't trivial in itself? jmo, but i think so as well.... tho i wonder what the performance/battery-life implications of everything doing that might be... perhaps you could have an 'libhtml' for static sites and documents, and different ones for more interactive apps etc
      - still_grokking 4y ago
        > perhaps you could have an 'libhtml' for static sites and documents, and different ones for more interactive apps etc You mean, like a web-browser from the late 90's + Java WebStart?
        Brian_K_White 4y ago
        ohgod

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

What is “content editable”?

mkl 4y ago
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/contenteditable https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_att... It's an HTML attribute that makes content (mainly text) editable by end users.
codetrotter 4y ago
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_attributes/contenteditable https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Global_att... Basically if you set the content editable attribute on an element then the user can edit the content of the element directly Here is an example using it: https://codepen.io/caraya/pen/ZyQMWd https://codepen.io/caraya/pen/ZyQMWd

Brian_K_White 4y ago

"Google Docs used to be contenteditable based, but moved to a custom rendering engine." Is THAT why you can't cut & paste with the mouse in google docs like you can on every other site? Take me back to the old way then please.

andrekandre 4y ago
yep, the use canvas to render everything now https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-Canvas-Based-Rendering-Update.html https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2021/05/Google-Docs-...
- still_grokking 4y ago
  I didn't know that. Very interesting! Isn't this actually prove that creating desktop grate applications, like a graphical word processor form the late 90's & some colab backend, is still infeasible with web tech? Doesn't it also prove that it's still easier and faster to create a proper app and GUI toolkit yourself and just render pixels to the screen (as all desktop GUI toolkits do these days) instead of fighting the browser tech idiosyncrasies, even a proper app and GUI stack isn't trivial in itself?
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > Doesn't it also prove that it's still easier and faster to create a proper app and GUI toolkit yourself and just render pixels to the screen (as all desktop GUI toolkits do these days) instead of fighting the browser tech idiosyncrasies, even a proper app and GUI stack isn't trivial in itself? jmo, but i think so as well.... tho i wonder what the performance/battery-life implications of everything doing that might be... perhaps you could have an 'libhtml' for static sites and documents, and different ones for more interactive apps etc
    - still_grokking 4y ago
      > perhaps you could have an 'libhtml' for static sites and documents, and different ones for more interactive apps etc You mean, like a web-browser from the late 90's + Java WebStart?
      - Brian_K_White 4y ago
        ohgod