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As horrified as I am for people whose jobs will be lost (including mine, quite possibly), "content" is such a plague on humanity I'm glad it will soon be devalu

As horrified as I am for people whose jobs will be lost (including mine, quite possibly), "content" is such a plague on humanity I'm glad it will soon be devalued into the ground. Moutains of useless tweets and blog posts will be rendered meaningless when ChatGPT has all the answers. Dust to dust.

blibble 4y ago
wait until it starts training on its own output and the spammers realise they can influence its output by producing more spam
codersfocus 4y ago
With how rich YouTubers / influencers are getting, I think relationship building / becoming a celebrity will become more and more necessary
- SCAQTony 4y ago
  To rift off your observation, Perhaps becoming more and more human will become the de facto trustworthy brand?
vineyardmike 4y ago
I both strongly agree (“content is a plague”) and strongly disagree (artisans, even digital ones, make society better). I’m glad that we’ll hopefully see the end of content as an industry, where people churn out text and images and posts trying to monetize attention by the penny. It’s inevitable as content becomes effectively free. How long before TikTok makes AI generated videos without creators? I’m pretty sure medium can be replaced in entirety today. That said, there’s plenty of people who work hard and are immensely talented and contribute a lot to society. Technology and automation has slowly taken away many jobs that brought people satisfaction and we’re anything but BS jobs. My classic example is musicians. It’s something people love to be, but in a world with recorded audio, you don’t need as many musicians as you once needed (and it was actually a fairly common job). I don’t have the answers, but I hope that automation can start replacing BS jobs through AI.
- QuiDortDine 4y ago
  > It’s something people love to be, but in a world with recorded audio, you don’t need as many musicians as you once needed (and it was actually a fairly common job). I do wonder if people are going to start valuing in-person experiences more and more, as anything on the internet can now be faked (or AI-generation, which, artistically speaking, is close to the same thing). If we do, might we see a boom of live performers? Will minstrels make a comeback? An interesting possibility, if still not reassuring.
  - omnimus 4y ago
    More likely outcome is that people will consume even more content. Because it will be more addictive and tailor made for them. Seems like big capture of peoples minds by comporations.
    - vintermann 4y ago
      But is the idea of "content" really all that? When I listen to a recording of a 18th century Danish fiddle tune, is it a bunch of notes and chords that can be imitated? Sure. And it can certainly be imitated by a professional human style imitator or an AI. But I'm not just looking for a string of pleasant chords and tones to massage my feelings. The context is part of what it is. It's not really "content", it's communication. The guy who made it, wanted to say something. Something that was important to him, which he thought better put into music than into text. He's dead almost 300 years ago, but I want to hear what he wanted to say. Which isn't to say there isn't room for AI-generated (or professional composer-generated) imitations. They're trained on the real stuff, it's the echo of real people we hear. But that's why it's valuable, not as generic "content".
      - omnimus 4y ago
        Context is certainly important. Atleast for people who lived through times when art took human effort and was rare. But what if upcoming generations see it just as something antique? Old concept thats dead because their concept of art/media has always been tailor made and generated for them. Also who says the AI wont also generate the context. You will get some medival music with authors backround and everything. You might not even know the person didnt exist. The way AI is developing now nobody will care about AI just making things up on the way.
jacknews 4y ago
'Content' is going to be so much better when it's written by gpt ... lol.
emrah 4y ago
ChatGPT has the answers it has because of all that content people have been posting online. What happens when people stop posting and there is nothing to further train the ai? Ai doesn't have intrinsic value, it has to be trained on something
alwaysbeconsing 4y ago
It's not going to go away, though. If anything, the future looks like lower quality and higher quantity. The usefulness of ChatGPT's (and its successors') answers also depend on their inputs. In the limit, if there were no humans producing new material, there would also be nothing new that ChatGPT version N could tell you.
- jgust 4y ago
  Something something 100 monkeys with a typewriter? I'm expecting some margin of error introduced into these models that produces a surreal fever dream era of AI generated content on the internet.
- bko 4y ago
  There doesn't need to be new material. Just mechanism to segregate between good and bad and that will always exist if humans are interesting. LLMs use reinforcement learning once they have a base understanding of words. It's like how modern chess engines don't analyze games, just play against themselves. LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another layer
  - alwaysbeconsing 4y ago
    That works because chess is a closed world. Without input from outside, two LLMs training against each other would most likely become raving lunatics -- just as two humans locked in a dark cell together would do.
  - lagrange77 4y ago
    > LLMs use reinforcement learning > LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another layer You're describing RLHF (Reinforcement learning with Human Feedback) used by ChatGPT, right. I wouldn't say that LLMs use it, but RLHF is used to create a higher level model on top of a LLM.

blibble 4y ago

wait until it starts training on its own output and the spammers realise they can influence its output by producing more spam

codersfocus 4y ago

With how rich YouTubers / influencers are getting, I think relationship building / becoming a celebrity will become more and more necessary

SCAQTony 4y ago
To rift off your observation, Perhaps becoming more and more human will become the de facto trustworthy brand?

vineyardmike 4y ago

I both strongly agree (“content is a plague”) and strongly disagree (artisans, even digital ones, make society better). I’m glad that we’ll hopefully see the end of content as an industry, where people churn out text and images and posts trying to monetize attention by the penny. It’s inevitable as content becomes effectively free. How long before TikTok makes AI generated videos without creators? I’m pretty sure medium can be replaced in entirety today. That said, there’s plenty of people who work hard and are immensely talented and contribute a lot to society. Technology and automation has slowly taken away many jobs that brought people satisfaction and we’re anything but BS jobs. My classic example is musicians. It’s something people love to be, but in a world with recorded audio, you don’t need as many musicians as you once needed (and it was actually a fairly common job). I don’t have the answers, but I hope that automation can start replacing BS jobs through AI.

QuiDortDine 4y ago
> It’s something people love to be, but in a world with recorded audio, you don’t need as many musicians as you once needed (and it was actually a fairly common job). I do wonder if people are going to start valuing in-person experiences more and more, as anything on the internet can now be faked (or AI-generation, which, artistically speaking, is close to the same thing). If we do, might we see a boom of live performers? Will minstrels make a comeback? An interesting possibility, if still not reassuring.
- omnimus 4y ago
  More likely outcome is that people will consume even more content. Because it will be more addictive and tailor made for them. Seems like big capture of peoples minds by comporations.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    But is the idea of "content" really all that? When I listen to a recording of a 18th century Danish fiddle tune, is it a bunch of notes and chords that can be imitated? Sure. And it can certainly be imitated by a professional human style imitator or an AI. But I'm not just looking for a string of pleasant chords and tones to massage my feelings. The context is part of what it is. It's not really "content", it's communication. The guy who made it, wanted to say something. Something that was important to him, which he thought better put into music than into text. He's dead almost 300 years ago, but I want to hear what he wanted to say. Which isn't to say there isn't room for AI-generated (or professional composer-generated) imitations. They're trained on the real stuff, it's the echo of real people we hear. But that's why it's valuable, not as generic "content".
    - omnimus 4y ago
      Context is certainly important. Atleast for people who lived through times when art took human effort and was rare. But what if upcoming generations see it just as something antique? Old concept thats dead because their concept of art/media has always been tailor made and generated for them. Also who says the AI wont also generate the context. You will get some medival music with authors backround and everything. You might not even know the person didnt exist. The way AI is developing now nobody will care about AI just making things up on the way.

jacknews 4y ago

'Content' is going to be so much better when it's written by gpt ... lol.

emrah 4y ago

ChatGPT has the answers it has because of all that content people have been posting online. What happens when people stop posting and there is nothing to further train the ai? Ai doesn't have intrinsic value, it has to be trained on something

alwaysbeconsing 4y ago

It's not going to go away, though. If anything, the future looks like lower quality and higher quantity. The usefulness of ChatGPT's (and its successors') answers also depend on their inputs. In the limit, if there were no humans producing new material, there would also be nothing new that ChatGPT version N could tell you.

jgust 4y ago
Something something 100 monkeys with a typewriter? I'm expecting some margin of error introduced into these models that produces a surreal fever dream era of AI generated content on the internet.
bko 4y ago
There doesn't need to be new material. Just mechanism to segregate between good and bad and that will always exist if humans are interesting. LLMs use reinforcement learning once they have a base understanding of words. It's like how modern chess engines don't analyze games, just play against themselves. LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another layer
- alwaysbeconsing 4y ago
  That works because chess is a closed world. Without input from outside, two LLMs training against each other would most likely become raving lunatics -- just as two humans locked in a dark cell together would do.
- lagrange77 4y ago
  > LLMs use reinforcement learning > LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another layer You're describing RLHF (Reinforcement learning with Human Feedback) used by ChatGPT, right. I wouldn't say that LLMs use it, but RLHF is used to create a higher level model on top of a LLM.