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Being free of government control doesn't imply lawlessness. I wouldn't want the government to control jeans manufacturing, but if someone steals your jeans, tha

Being free of government control doesn't imply lawlessness. I wouldn't want the government to control jeans manufacturing, but if someone steals your jeans, that's still a crime. There are laws against theft, and crypto and jeans are just different kinds of property.

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pasc1878 3y ago
So it is OK to have your jeans made by children and in a factory that pours toxic waste into a river used for drinking water?
- overthrow 3y ago
  If you read my post, I said laws should apply equally to jeans and crypto. That includes child labor laws.
  - r_hoods_ghost 3y ago
    So you do want the government to control jeans manufacturing then?
    - overthrow 3y ago
      You're being silly, but I'll humor you. The world "control" has multiple meanings. In the communist sense: the government should not control the means of production for jeans or crypto. In the social welfare sense: the government should "control" whether people are allowed to steal others' jeans and crypto, and the government should "control" whether you can abuse children in connection with your jeans or crypto company. You can play with the meaning of the word, but whatever meaning you choose, jeans and crypto shouldn't be treated any differently.
knorker 3y ago
> I wouldn't want the government to control jeans manufacturing Of course you do. You want asbestos to be banned in the clothes you buy. You want labelling of material to not be lies. You want child labour banned. You want slavery banned. You want trademark protection. You want the factory to not dump toxic waste in the nearby river. And you say "well, of course I want that, but not... I dunno..." and give some hypothetical. Well, the same with cryptocurrency. If you think you want to get rid of all financial regulation, including AML/KYC, then I don't think you've thought about the issue for more than a fleeting moment.
- overthrow 3y ago
  I literally said the laws should apply to all kinds of property equally - yet you think I "want to get rid of all financial regulation"? I hope you enjoyed building that strawman and then tearing it down
  - asimpletune 3y ago
    I mean, you did say you wouldn’t want the government regulating jeans manufacturing.
  - knorker 3y ago
    So what did you mean by saying jeans manufacturing should not be regulated, and only (?) jeans (and other goods) ownership should be regulated?
    - overthrow 3y ago
      You're putting words in my mouth. I never used the word "regulated" at all. I said "controlled" - meaning the government should not be the sole entity allowed to own and operate a factory that produces jeans. (I hope that's not the contentious point here.) I believe jeans manufacturing should be regulated by the government, but not controlled by the government. And even if the government gives up control, it does not give up its ability to regulate. Do you agree that, even though the government does not itself manufacture a pair of jeans using taxpayer money, the government can still prosecute theft of those jeans? If so, it should not be a stretch to understand that even though the government does not issue a certain private sector money, it can still prosecute theft of that private sector money.

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pasc1878 3y ago

So it is OK to have your jeans made by children and in a factory that pours toxic waste into a river used for drinking water?

overthrow 3y ago
If you read my post, I said laws should apply equally to jeans and crypto. That includes child labor laws.
- r_hoods_ghost 3y ago
  So you do want the government to control jeans manufacturing then?
  - overthrow 3y ago
    You're being silly, but I'll humor you. The world "control" has multiple meanings. In the communist sense: the government should not control the means of production for jeans or crypto. In the social welfare sense: the government should "control" whether people are allowed to steal others' jeans and crypto, and the government should "control" whether you can abuse children in connection with your jeans or crypto company. You can play with the meaning of the word, but whatever meaning you choose, jeans and crypto shouldn't be treated any differently.

knorker 3y ago

> I wouldn't want the government to control jeans manufacturing Of course you do. You want asbestos to be banned in the clothes you buy. You want labelling of material to not be lies. You want child labour banned. You want slavery banned. You want trademark protection. You want the factory to not dump toxic waste in the nearby river. And you say "well, of course I want that, but not... I dunno..." and give some hypothetical. Well, the same with cryptocurrency. If you think you want to get rid of all financial regulation, including AML/KYC, then I don't think you've thought about the issue for more than a fleeting moment.

overthrow 3y ago
I literally said the laws should apply to all kinds of property equally - yet you think I "want to get rid of all financial regulation"? I hope you enjoyed building that strawman and then tearing it down
- asimpletune 3y ago
  I mean, you did say you wouldn’t want the government regulating jeans manufacturing.
- knorker 3y ago
  So what did you mean by saying jeans manufacturing should not be regulated, and only (?) jeans (and other goods) ownership should be regulated?
  - overthrow 3y ago
    You're putting words in my mouth. I never used the word "regulated" at all. I said "controlled" - meaning the government should not be the sole entity allowed to own and operate a factory that produces jeans. (I hope that's not the contentious point here.) I believe jeans manufacturing should be regulated by the government, but not controlled by the government. And even if the government gives up control, it does not give up its ability to regulate. Do you agree that, even though the government does not itself manufacture a pair of jeans using taxpayer money, the government can still prosecute theft of those jeans? If so, it should not be a stretch to understand that even though the government does not issue a certain private sector money, it can still prosecute theft of that private sector money.