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This is a good example of how academic citation practices subtly launder out the role of compute, trial-and-error, and practitioners in favor of academia. OP co
by gwern 4y ago
This is a good example of how academic citation practices subtly launder out the role of compute, trial-and-error, and practitioners in favor of academia. OP concludes that if you want to cite Fidge & Mattern for credit for 'developing the theory', that's fine. But notice, that's not how it started and is an answer to a different - no one was asking, 'who finally explained why vector clocks work in a rigorous way', the very title is 'who invented vector clocks' (repeated in the first sentence, and in various forms thereafter as 'system...developed', 'introduced', 'idea...developed', etc), and she objects to WP describing her as uncovering who really 'invented' vector clocks. The actual answer to her question would seem to be Parker 1983. (And looking at the description of 'LOCUS' in https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/Classes/739/Papers/parker83detection.pdf https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/Classes/739/Papers/parker83... , it sounds more like they are reverse-engineering why LOCUS works...)
- wolfram74 4y agoIn free wheeling evolutionary processes, seeing that a process works is enough, but when some level of intentionality can be applied, I feel the group that explains /why/ a process works can offer more to the community for improvement, or realize when all the gains have been found and new avenues must be pursued.
- eru 4y agoThis reminds me a bit of the relationship between the inventors of various steam engines, and the then fledging science of thermodynamics that sprang up to explain them.
- mathisfun123 4y agothis is absolutely the opposite how the citation game works - very often the first person to hit the buzzer gets all the credit and the people that come after and actually give a clean, rigorous, expository treatment gets absolutely zero credit/cites.
- ilyt 4y agoEven worse when it is not just some random credits but patent.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoEven “who was the first person to mention X in a publication” can be different from “who invented X”. Inventions can fly around the industry for awhile before they get documented, and it is unclear who really invented them, or perhaps they were invented multiple times independently.
- p-e-w 4y agoI'd wager that the first person to mention an idea in a publication is almost never the originator of the idea. The obstacles for publishing something are so enormously high that the effort to publish is often much larger than the effort to invent the thing being published. As a result, academia and industrial science are largely institutions that formalize and describe ideas, not institutions where ideas originate, even though those ideas are often (wrongly) attributed to them. It's even worse in the humanities, of course. I can pretty much guarantee that no philosophical idea was first conceived by the person it is usually attributed to. Most of those ideas are ultimately so trivial that countless people probably had them in the Stone Age already.
- auggierose 4y agoThe obstacles for publishing something today are pretty much nil. Just put it on your website, or on the arXiv. If you put it on your website, make sure that you can prove later on what you put there when (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_timestamping).
- p-e-w 4y agoSelf-publishing doesn't count as "publishing" for most purposes. Trying to claim academic priority based on something you uploaded to your website or the arXiv is a recipe for getting laughed at, or, even more likely, for getting ignored outright. At least outside of those very few fields where the arXiv has become somewhat established, like math, computer science, and to a lesser extent, physics.
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