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I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely f

I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

tharne 4y ago
> Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Have you ever considered that this may be due to the fact that our brains evolved to exist in a world where our day is largely focused on gathering food? We're not well-equipped to exist in other modes.
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- Kapura 4y ago
  [citation needed] primates don't spend the majority of their day gathering food; there's not reason to believe early humans were different.
  - tharne 4y ago
    I said, "majority of the day focused on gathering food, not "spent gathering food". If this seems like an arbitrary distinction, allow me to provide an analogy. Most teenage boys spend the majority of their day focused on having sex, but very few of them spend the majority of their day actually having sex (if they're even having sex at all). As for a citation, ask anyone who's spent any amount of their life with not enough food available. If you ask them how much of their time is spent focused on getting food or thinking about food, or worrying about food, they'll probably tell you "most of it".
  - oezi 4y ago
    It certainly depends much on the regional setting. Humans pushed to the boundaries of landscapes which support their existence. If you are a hunter gatherer in fertile jungle setting you might make do with 2 or 3h per day of hunting or gathering. If you live further north or south or in more arid regions that might take more time.
nextaccountic 4y ago
> I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. This doesn't mean that different economic systems have equivalent or comparable problems. Just like you can have a worse economic system than today's global capitalism, you could, in principle, have better systems.
- goodluckchuck 4y ago
  Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.
  - agentultra 4y ago
    Capitalism isn’t a fundamental law like the speed of light or thermodynamics. We can use other systems that suit our goals better. Even if it’s a better form of capitalism than what we’re dealing with now. This post-monetarist form of capitalism is killing people and this planet and enriching but a few. That’s not the kind of society most people want. A matter of time before there are enough have-nots and upheaval becomes a real problem for the capital owners.
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    - s__s 4y ago
      Capitalism is too broad a term to be useful in these conversations. At it’s core capitalism just means that private individuals can own property, instead of the state owning everything. Which is absolutely critical for a free society. It’s paramount that individuals not be dependant on a ruling class for survival.
      - agentultra 4y ago
jerojero 4y ago
I wonder if people in Norway are as worried as people in America.
- vages 4y ago
  Norwegian here. Not as worried, but “no man is an island”. If the consequences are really bad, it’s hard for any country to escape them.
- nightski 4y ago
  A large portion of Norway's exports and wealth are oil. If anything all the fossil fuels burned creating these AI models probably helps their economy.
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  Probably not, but Norway is generally an anomaly. It's got massive natural resource wealth, a small homogeneous population, and is surrounded by allies and falls under the US security umbrella

tharne 4y ago

> Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Have you ever considered that this may be due to the fact that our brains evolved to exist in a world where our day is largely focused on gathering food? We're not well-equipped to exist in other modes.

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Kapura 4y ago
[citation needed] primates don't spend the majority of their day gathering food; there's not reason to believe early humans were different.
- tharne 4y ago
  I said, "majority of the day focused on gathering food, not "spent gathering food". If this seems like an arbitrary distinction, allow me to provide an analogy. Most teenage boys spend the majority of their day focused on having sex, but very few of them spend the majority of their day actually having sex (if they're even having sex at all). As for a citation, ask anyone who's spent any amount of their life with not enough food available. If you ask them how much of their time is spent focused on getting food or thinking about food, or worrying about food, they'll probably tell you "most of it".
- oezi 4y ago
  It certainly depends much on the regional setting. Humans pushed to the boundaries of landscapes which support their existence. If you are a hunter gatherer in fertile jungle setting you might make do with 2 or 3h per day of hunting or gathering. If you live further north or south or in more arid regions that might take more time.

nextaccountic 4y ago

> I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. This doesn't mean that different economic systems have equivalent or comparable problems. Just like you can have a worse economic system than today's global capitalism, you could, in principle, have better systems.

goodluckchuck 4y ago
Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics. Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system. However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.
- agentultra 4y ago
  Capitalism isn’t a fundamental law like the speed of light or thermodynamics. We can use other systems that suit our goals better. Even if it’s a better form of capitalism than what we’re dealing with now. This post-monetarist form of capitalism is killing people and this planet and enriching but a few. That’s not the kind of society most people want. A matter of time before there are enough have-nots and upheaval becomes a real problem for the capital owners.
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  - s__s 4y ago
    Capitalism is too broad a term to be useful in these conversations. At it’s core capitalism just means that private individuals can own property, instead of the state owning everything. Which is absolutely critical for a free society. It’s paramount that individuals not be dependant on a ruling class for survival.
    - agentultra 4y ago

jerojero 4y ago

I wonder if people in Norway are as worried as people in America.

vages 4y ago
Norwegian here. Not as worried, but “no man is an island”. If the consequences are really bad, it’s hard for any country to escape them.
nightski 4y ago
A large portion of Norway's exports and wealth are oil. If anything all the fossil fuels burned creating these AI models probably helps their economy.
throwaway6734 4y ago
Probably not, but Norway is generally an anomaly. It's got massive natural resource wealth, a small homogeneous population, and is surrounded by allies and falls under the US security umbrella