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>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us a

>>This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. Where's the predicted society where automation allows us all to work for two hours a day, and spend the rest at leisure? << I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. No offense but who wants to spend most of their time on leisure activities. That gets old fast. It is a lot more fun being productive. Maybe I'm just weird. A person on minimum wage in the USA today can enjoy a higher quality of life than kings of a few hundred years ago. My point being that automation has brought huge benefits to society, even if we are blind to them.

whiddershins 4y ago
I second this. Leisure is not all it is cracked up to be.
- xedrac 4y ago
  No, but having a good balance of leisure and work makes both of them better.
pavel_lishin 4y ago
> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. I would count that as leisure, why wouldn't that count? Leisure isn't laying on a couch eating grapes; leisure is the freedom of deciding what to do with your time,.
mort96 4y ago
In this context, "leisure" is used to mean the stuff you do outside of work and chores essentially. If you want to work on a side project, that would fall under leisure time.
pbhjpbhj 4y ago
>I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. That's called leisure, being able to direct your actions without worry about them paying the bills, leisure. Of course you could choose to vegetate in front of a screen, but you're also free to walk the hills, create art, create machines, write software or poetry, or whatever.
bobwaycott 4y ago
> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. So … you would spend all your time on your chosen leisure activities—your passion projects. That is the point.

whiddershins 4y ago

I second this. Leisure is not all it is cracked up to be.

xedrac 4y ago
No, but having a good balance of leisure and work makes both of them better.

pavel_lishin 4y ago

> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. I would count that as leisure, why wouldn't that count? Leisure isn't laying on a couch eating grapes; leisure is the freedom of deciding what to do with your time,.

mort96 4y ago

In this context, "leisure" is used to mean the stuff you do outside of work and chores essentially. If you want to work on a side project, that would fall under leisure time.

pbhjpbhj 4y ago

>I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. That's called leisure, being able to direct your actions without worry about them paying the bills, leisure. Of course you could choose to vegetate in front of a screen, but you're also free to walk the hills, create art, create machines, write software or poetry, or whatever.

bobwaycott 4y ago

> I personally would hate to spend all my time on leisure activities. I would still be working as hard but on my passion projects. So … you would spend all your time on your chosen leisure activities—your passion projects. That is the point.