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You should come here and find some meaning painting my fence. While you are at it, the toilet in the basement is clogged, there is shit water all over the plac
by surgical_fire 4y ago
You should come here and find some meaning painting my fence.
While you are at it, the toilet in the basement is clogged, there is shit water all over the place. You could find meaning there too.
- mlyle 4y agoJust because I find reward in work, doesn't mean that all work is equally rewarding to me, or that I have an infinite desire for work.
- flangola7 4y agoHumanity learning to automate art before toilet plumbing is a travesty of scale not previously imaginable.
- mlyle 4y agoHumanity hasn't learned to automate "art". Humanity has learned to automate some aspects of technical aspects of creating images and to imitate some prevailing styles.
- pixl97 4y agoSo they've learned to automate art. I mean, we've done the same with farming. Is it 100% automated? No, not at all, but we've removed something like 99% of the human labor involved that would have occurred around 200 years ago.
- ModernMech 4y agoPlayer pianos were invented in 1896, yet we don't consider piano playing to be a dead art. Indeed I don't believe people even pay to see player pianos play, where as they will flock to see even the most mediocre and novice players if they're the right humans. Art without humanity isn't art. Farming can exist without humanity because we need the output to sustain ourselves. But take the humanity out of art, and no one is interested in it.
- nonbirithm 4y agoThe difference is that player pianos can only replay previously existing songs, while Midjourney can create something novel in under a minute. The problem that's being solved is not everyone wants to spend thousands of hours learning how to draw in order to have the (artistically competent) end product in their hands.
- ModernMech 4y agoThat doesn't mean art has been automated; it means we've invented a better paint brush.
- khochesh_kushat 4y agoA paint brush that will paint a painting for you, no artist needed.
- mlyle 4y agoAs if the main thing behind being an artist is using a paint brush competently... I think AI is terrible for a lot of midrange commercial graphics. I don't think it's bad for "art."
- khochesh_kushat 4y agoMaybe artist was the wrong word, painter would be more appropriate.
- wizofaus 4y agoMost cases of people paying to see human performers are of performing already-written music though, so I doubt think that's the drawcard. Actually I don't think anyone truly knows why we obviously gain something from watching live performers that can't be obtained from watching them even on the best quality home entertainment system imaginable (*), but at least part of it is feeling like you're part of the performance, knowing that the performers feed off the reactions of the audience etc. (*) And why has there never been a market for broadcasting music performances in cinemas?
- flangola7 4y agoYou're right of course. I should have tapped 'most commercially viable art.' Graphic designers, corporate advertising, media productions; video game artwork, the artistic channels where many creatives earn a square meal even if it isn't the most human and soulful type of art.
- heartbreak 4y agoI know many people in my circles who would find literal religious meaning in the work of painting your fence.
- surgical_fire 4y agoSounds like the toilet will remain clogged then? I guess god doesn't care for shit water all over the floor.
- oh_sigh 4y agoWhy does it cost money to get your fence painted then?
- heartbreak 4y agoBecause food and housing still costs money?
- oh_sigh 4y agoA lot of people use their free time to have religious experiences.
- sethammons 4y agoYa know, I have helped neighbors with those exact problems. For free. It was nice to be helpful. I would not however do it for fun every day for strangers.
- namarie 4y agoNo one is arguing for you to either stop helping your neighbors for free nor to do it every day for strangers, so I really don't see the point in this.
- sethammons 4y agoGGP: people find meaning in work GP: yeah? find meaning in my shitty chores P (me): I've found meaning in helping others with shitty chores You: I don't see the connection, nobody says don't help others Huh? I'm not sure where you are coming from.
- namarie 4y agoGGGGP: The point of life is not to need jobs in order to survive, the point of life is enjoyment GGGP: Well, for most people, if they don't have to have a job, their life becomes a sucking void of boredom. These are the only two options GGP: Nope, plenty of jobs can be a sucking void of boredom for people. It's not like having to clean toilets in order not to starve is incredibly meaningful for the people that have to do it GP: Well, I like helping neighbors for free sometimes. But I wouldn't want to do it every day for strangers P (me): I don't see the connection. You literally said you enjoyed doing something for free, so you're not talking about jobs. You could still do it if you didn't need a job to survive, nor would not needing a job to survive force you to do it for fun for strangers. In any case, it's clear we interpreted the previous messages in a very different manner. In particular, as I've said elsewhere, people seem to be confusing jobs with work. Not needing jobs is not the same as people having to stop working, usually quite the contrary - people would be free to work more on stuff that they enjoy.
- surgical_fire 4y ago
- ihateyouall123 4y agoIt sounds like you simply haven't experienced the full spectrum of humanity. There are plenty of people who find pleasure in shit.
- surgical_fire 4y agoFitting username, have my upvote.
- yoyohello13 4y agoMaybe if you didn't need to work you would have time to fix those problems yourself and get satisfaction out of doing something that directly benefits you.