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That would be great. It’s also not going to happen without a massive uprising. The people profiting off automation have zero intent of sharing the wealth and ev

by jzb 4y ago

That would be great. It’s also not going to happen without a massive uprising. The people profiting off automation have zero intent of sharing the wealth and every intent of hoarding it.

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auggierose 4y ago
Yep. That's why there WILL be an uprising. When? I don't know. When the pressure becomes too high to bear, and risking your life seems like a good option compared to just hanging in there. But maybe by that time most humans have been genetically engineered to be happy to be serfs, and oligarchy is a genetic condition now.
- ehnto 4y ago
  I expect we'll adjust the status quo for decades yet. The internet projects a lot of negative sentiment, but I suspect most people are happy scraping by so long as they have a roof and some entertainment. Even proactive people are made to believe they are just one more "rise and grind" away from being a millionaire, they want to be succesful in this society, so they have no desire to tear it down. What could bring the stack of cards coming down I think, is a housing affordability crisis. For anyone who has ended up without a home or even just the threat of losing a place to live, you wake up to that reality real quick. If there is suddenly a majority without work and without a home, that's a bunch of people who just found out the system is broken and will want answers.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Heh, I see we're following the Manna timeline https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 https://marshallbrain.com/manna1
    - akra 4y ago
      Still a potential possibility - sadly IMO more so than the utopia vision of AI; thanks for reminding me of this. We simply become fodder for the things AI can't reasonably do in the "real world" until it can with the owners of the systems living it up. At that point the rich/political class have no need for the "rest of us", live the high life and the rest of the population is a "problem" that has to be managed by the state creating mass inequality.
bryanlarsen 4y ago
To over-simplify, revolutions happen when young men get bored, gather into mobs to entertain themselves, and then somebody with a cause directs that mob into action. The standard way to prevent revolutions is to channel the energy of young men into a productive job and a family. But today, bored young men entertain themselves with video games etc rather than gathering in mobs to entertain themselves. We don't have large gatherings of aimless young men anymore.
- chii 4y ago
  tell that to the french gov't right now!
- ChatGTP 4y ago
  Except when there are robot armies, you won’t be able to protest anymore, you will do what your told or be eliminated.
starkd 4y ago
When has an uprising (or revolution) been anything other than a disordered mob? I wouldn't expect any such transition to be orderly and well-planned. It will be reactionary in order to quell the chaos.
weatherlite 4y ago
We were all fine with having a bunch of pretty poor people around us (let alone other countries where people live horrible lives). Why should anyone care white collar people are going to get hurt? Who said we have enough power/motivation to meaningfully revolt? Why haven't the poor revolted already? I hope you're right but I don't think its a given this will happen.

by jzb 4y ago

That would be great. It’s also not going to happen without a massive uprising. The people profiting off automation have zero intent of sharing the wealth and every intent of hoarding it.

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auggierose 4y ago

Yep. That's why there WILL be an uprising. When? I don't know. When the pressure becomes too high to bear, and risking your life seems like a good option compared to just hanging in there. But maybe by that time most humans have been genetically engineered to be happy to be serfs, and oligarchy is a genetic condition now.

ehnto 4y ago
I expect we'll adjust the status quo for decades yet. The internet projects a lot of negative sentiment, but I suspect most people are happy scraping by so long as they have a roof and some entertainment. Even proactive people are made to believe they are just one more "rise and grind" away from being a millionaire, they want to be succesful in this society, so they have no desire to tear it down. What could bring the stack of cards coming down I think, is a housing affordability crisis. For anyone who has ended up without a home or even just the threat of losing a place to live, you wake up to that reality real quick. If there is suddenly a majority without work and without a home, that's a bunch of people who just found out the system is broken and will want answers.
- pixl97 4y ago
  Heh, I see we're following the Manna timeline https://marshallbrain.com/manna1 https://marshallbrain.com/manna1
  - akra 4y ago
    Still a potential possibility - sadly IMO more so than the utopia vision of AI; thanks for reminding me of this. We simply become fodder for the things AI can't reasonably do in the "real world" until it can with the owners of the systems living it up. At that point the rich/political class have no need for the "rest of us", live the high life and the rest of the population is a "problem" that has to be managed by the state creating mass inequality.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

To over-simplify, revolutions happen when young men get bored, gather into mobs to entertain themselves, and then somebody with a cause directs that mob into action. The standard way to prevent revolutions is to channel the energy of young men into a productive job and a family. But today, bored young men entertain themselves with video games etc rather than gathering in mobs to entertain themselves. We don't have large gatherings of aimless young men anymore.

chii 4y ago
tell that to the french gov't right now!
ChatGTP 4y ago
Except when there are robot armies, you won’t be able to protest anymore, you will do what your told or be eliminated.

starkd 4y ago

When has an uprising (or revolution) been anything other than a disordered mob? I wouldn't expect any such transition to be orderly and well-planned. It will be reactionary in order to quell the chaos.

weatherlite 4y ago

We were all fine with having a bunch of pretty poor people around us (let alone other countries where people live horrible lives). Why should anyone care white collar people are going to get hurt? Who said we have enough power/motivation to meaningfully revolt? Why haven't the poor revolted already? I hope you're right but I don't think its a given this will happen.