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You also can't take the Ramadan as a normal fast. This is a religious rite that might actually inspire more forgiving behavior becausenot its religious nature.

azan_ 4y ago
Comparing the effect of different fasting duration only across judges who fasted during Ramadan most likely removed the influence of religion-inspired forgiving behavior.
- Jolter 4y ago
  How would it? They are all practicing muslims. How could you correct for a trait that is present in every one of the study participants?
  - hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago
    Have you ever heard the phrase "everything else being equal"?
    - Jolter 4y ago
      The claim of the gp is this study could “remove the influence of religion-inspired forgiving behavior.” In order to isolate religious belief, they would need to include a control group of judges who fasted for a month but without any religious affiliation. I don’t see that they’ve done that.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    That's the scientist's ideal scenario that avoids the need the correct for a trait.
    - Jolter 4y ago
      No, it’s the absence of a control because there is no control group. You can’t study whether it’s a religiously affiliated behavior unless you have a non-religious fasting control group. It’s called a confounding variable.
      - azan_ 4y ago
        It's not confounding variable because this "variable" is actually constant in the entire group; the comparison is not fasting muslims vs non-fasting non-religious judges, but muslim judges with longer vs shorter fast or fasting at different hours
        Jolter 4y ago
        … but the study didn’t do this. Right?
        jiggywiggy 4y ago
        It ads a lot more variables making it unsuitable, day time is not strongly associated with hunger. For instance its possible that the 5 prayers during the day have effect. And also the feeling of hunger is not constant, it might be stronger around normal eating times etc. There are just too many variables to conclude anything.

azan_ 4y ago

Comparing the effect of different fasting duration only across judges who fasted during Ramadan most likely removed the influence of religion-inspired forgiving behavior.

Jolter 4y ago
How would it? They are all practicing muslims. How could you correct for a trait that is present in every one of the study participants?
- hsjqllzlfkf 4y ago
  Have you ever heard the phrase "everything else being equal"?
  - Jolter 4y ago
    The claim of the gp is this study could “remove the influence of religion-inspired forgiving behavior.” In order to isolate religious belief, they would need to include a control group of judges who fasted for a month but without any religious affiliation. I don’t see that they’ve done that.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  That's the scientist's ideal scenario that avoids the need the correct for a trait.
  - Jolter 4y ago
    No, it’s the absence of a control because there is no control group. You can’t study whether it’s a religiously affiliated behavior unless you have a non-religious fasting control group. It’s called a confounding variable.
    - azan_ 4y ago
      It's not confounding variable because this "variable" is actually constant in the entire group; the comparison is not fasting muslims vs non-fasting non-religious judges, but muslim judges with longer vs shorter fast or fasting at different hours
      - Jolter 4y ago
        … but the study didn’t do this. Right?
      - jiggywiggy 4y ago
        It ads a lot more variables making it unsuitable, day time is not strongly associated with hunger. For instance its possible that the 5 prayers during the day have effect. And also the feeling of hunger is not constant, it might be stronger around normal eating times etc. There are just too many variables to conclude anything.