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Why do you think having a mind is of any relevance to AI risk? The danger is in the combination of power and alien values. Whether AI has something analogous to
by mrob 4y ago
Why do you think having a mind is of any relevance to AI risk? The danger is in the combination of power and alien values. Whether AI has something analogous to human consciousness or not makes no difference to the outcome.
- labrador 4y agoWho said anything about risk? I'm just curious about why people think it has a mind. I've heard people estimate it has a mind of a child. Naturally I ask them how they come to that conclusion. Just to be clear. I think it's a clever piece of software with no mind at all.
- lostmsu 4y agoI haven't really seen anyone rebuke the Turing test, and in a Turing test GPT-4 against children seems like children would have no chances.
- labrador 4y agoI don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Maybe because I've been writing software all my life. It's pretty clever, but it glitches like a machine and says things no person would ever say, but a text generator would. I'm afraid I've insulted people by saying if you tell me GPT-4 has a mind what you are really telling me is that you are not smarter than GPT-4 as in "tell me that you are not smarter than GPT-4 without telling me your not smarter than GPT-4" but maybe that's unfair because I'm a software developer. I quickly try to mitigate the insult by saying I soon expect to have an AI smarter than me, maybe GPT-5 that I won't be able to tell about.
- lostmsu 4y ago> I don't get a sense that it's a person like some people do. Are you a child?
- labrador 4y agoI don't understand your question because obviously I am not. If you have a point why don't you make it. I am throttled on Hacker News so I won't be able to respond for awhile.
- lostmsu 4y agoThe discussion was about comparing GPT to a child. Since you're not a child, the assumption that you can beat it in Turing test is irrelevant, regardless of it (the assumption) being right.
- labrador 4y agoThe discussion was not about comparing GPT to a child. I started it so I should know. The discussion is about "having the mind" of a child. Sentience. I don't care if it can mimic Albert Einstein, I'll be impressed when I'm convinced it is Alert Einstein.
- lostmsu 4y agoYou are referring to other people, but they mean "mind of a child" in the sense it is as smart as a child, not that it literally thinks the same way children do. That's quite obvious.
- shrimp_emoji 4y agoIn other words: it doesn't pass your Turing test. :p I agree; talking to it for an hour or two, it becomes pretty obvious it's not a humanoid mind typing back at you. What "a mind" means -- or what "consciousness" means or if it even exists -- is a separate can of undefined worms.
- labrador 4y agoGPT-4 reminds of some smart mentally ill friends I've had, but even they are disordered in human ways while GPT-4 hallucinates in machine ways. I suspect people who think GPT-4 has a mind just don't have a lot of experience talking to a variety of people.