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And while blocking sharing the substack links, they removed all the restrictions on Russian official government accounts https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/statu

And while blocking sharing the substack links, they removed all the restrictions on Russian official government accounts https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1644441340497784846 https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1644441340497784846 Good job Elon!

user3939382 4y ago
What’s wrong with the Russian government having a voice? They represent millions of people. The ease with which our media just duped our whole country into hating Russia and supporting this war is very scary.
- davidw 4y ago
  > represent millions of people They represent one man.
  - drewda 4y ago
    In recent years, political scientists have been starting to talk about "electoral authoritarian regimes" — how dictators make use of some amount of popular support, media, and other tools to stay in power. For example "Popular Dictatorships: Crises, Mass Opinion, and the Rise of Electoral Authoritarianism" by Aleksandar Matovski: https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Dictatorships-Opinion-Electoral-Authoritarianism/dp/1316517802 https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Dictatorships-Opinion-Elector... I'm no expert, but I find this an interesting line of thought. It feels like a way to more fully understand the specific dynamics of how someone like Putin stays in power in Russia — rather than just calling Putin a dictator. (Don't get me wrong. I believe in the values of the modern "free world" order that is led by the US, even if it's imperfect. Just want to also better understand how the opponents also think and operate.)
    - user3939382 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      Recommending this for the nth time: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524407/the-logic-of-political-survival/ https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524407/the-logic-of-politica...
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Personalizing Russia into a single Dr. Evil figure when that figure has overwhelming popular support in Russia is a propaganda tactic, not something that reasonable people should fall for.
    - type0 4y ago
      Not single. The same could be said of North Korea
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    So do I, and I get to have a Twitter account.
    - davidw 4y ago
      I bet you're a lot friendlier with your neighbors, though.
      - BurningFrog 4y ago
        I have been cutting down on invading them!
- singleshot_ 4y ago
  “just duped our whole country into hating Russia” Did you sleep through the Cold War? Haven’t these guys been the enemy since shortly after World War Two? Where did you get the idea that being opposed to Russia happened recently? The real question is how the insurrectionists think that this line of logic isn’t ridiculous.
  - drewcoo 4y ago
    Something about smirking Ronnie helping Yeltsin transition to "democracy" so that the US could "invest" told me that the Cold War was over. You do realize they're not communists anymore, right?
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Something about smirking Ronnie helping Yeltsin transition to “democracy” Reagan’s term didn’t overlap with Yeltsin’s term at the helm of either the Russian Federation or the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic, so I think your memory is confused.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    The USSR collapsed in 1991.
    - singleshot_ 4y ago
      What happened next?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
- Yizahi 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- majormajor 4y ago
  Just off the top of my head: Russia invaded a country in 2008. Then in 2014. They have poisoned multiple people in England over the same time frame. Then, of course, a big invasion last year. Is it being "duped" to not like that pattern? [Someone will likely say "the US has invaded countries too" and... yes... would you say someone in those parts of the world who doesn't like the US was just duped by their media?]
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > [Someone will likely say "the US has invaded countries too" and... yes... would you say someone in those parts of the world who doesn't like the US was just duped by their media?] No, I would ask why you don't think it's important to censor US content from world media as a response to the huge number of US invasions, or in response to the fact that we're occupying Syria right now.
    - nozzlegear 4y ago
      One interesting difference is that the US has not (as of yet) tried to illegally annex a large portion of Syria.
      - croes 4y ago
        So if Russia would just attack without annexing anything it would be ok?
    - majormajor 4y ago
      Nah, it's that I don't think it's important to censor US content from US media. I think assuming Twitter is "world media" - or that there's such a thing at all - is naive. Even if Twitter wants to be "world media" instead of "US media" they wouldn't win that battle if push came to shove; and someone not in the US should probably be well aware of both the number of people with US interests making decisions at Twitter and whatever local additional restrictions are in place. US content is already censored from a lot of other country media, which I think is understandable.
  - 4y ago
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
partiallypro 4y ago
I was wondering why I had a sudden mass influx of Russian accounts into my For You.

user3939382 4y ago

What’s wrong with the Russian government having a voice? They represent millions of people. The ease with which our media just duped our whole country into hating Russia and supporting this war is very scary.

davidw 4y ago
> represent millions of people They represent one man.
- drewda 4y ago
  In recent years, political scientists have been starting to talk about "electoral authoritarian regimes" — how dictators make use of some amount of popular support, media, and other tools to stay in power. For example "Popular Dictatorships: Crises, Mass Opinion, and the Rise of Electoral Authoritarianism" by Aleksandar Matovski: https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Dictatorships-Opinion-Electoral-Authoritarianism/dp/1316517802 https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Dictatorships-Opinion-Elector... I'm no expert, but I find this an interesting line of thought. It feels like a way to more fully understand the specific dynamics of how someone like Putin stays in power in Russia — rather than just calling Putin a dictator. (Don't get me wrong. I believe in the values of the modern "free world" order that is led by the US, even if it's imperfect. Just want to also better understand how the opponents also think and operate.)
  - user3939382 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Recommending this for the nth time: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524407/the-logic-of-political-survival/ https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262524407/the-logic-of-politica...
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Personalizing Russia into a single Dr. Evil figure when that figure has overwhelming popular support in Russia is a propaganda tactic, not something that reasonable people should fall for.
  - type0 4y ago
    Not single. The same could be said of North Korea
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  So do I, and I get to have a Twitter account.
  - davidw 4y ago
    I bet you're a lot friendlier with your neighbors, though.
    - BurningFrog 4y ago
      I have been cutting down on invading them!
singleshot_ 4y ago
“just duped our whole country into hating Russia” Did you sleep through the Cold War? Haven’t these guys been the enemy since shortly after World War Two? Where did you get the idea that being opposed to Russia happened recently? The real question is how the insurrectionists think that this line of logic isn’t ridiculous.
- drewcoo 4y ago
  Something about smirking Ronnie helping Yeltsin transition to "democracy" so that the US could "invest" told me that the Cold War was over. You do realize they're not communists anymore, right?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Something about smirking Ronnie helping Yeltsin transition to “democracy” Reagan’s term didn’t overlap with Yeltsin’s term at the helm of either the Russian Federation or the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic, so I think your memory is confused.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  The USSR collapsed in 1991.
  - singleshot_ 4y ago
    What happened next?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
Yizahi 4y ago
[flagged]
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
majormajor 4y ago
Just off the top of my head: Russia invaded a country in 2008. Then in 2014. They have poisoned multiple people in England over the same time frame. Then, of course, a big invasion last year. Is it being "duped" to not like that pattern? [Someone will likely say "the US has invaded countries too" and... yes... would you say someone in those parts of the world who doesn't like the US was just duped by their media?]
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > [Someone will likely say "the US has invaded countries too" and... yes... would you say someone in those parts of the world who doesn't like the US was just duped by their media?] No, I would ask why you don't think it's important to censor US content from world media as a response to the huge number of US invasions, or in response to the fact that we're occupying Syria right now.
  - nozzlegear 4y ago
    One interesting difference is that the US has not (as of yet) tried to illegally annex a large portion of Syria.
    - croes 4y ago
      So if Russia would just attack without annexing anything it would be ok?
  - majormajor 4y ago
    Nah, it's that I don't think it's important to censor US content from US media. I think assuming Twitter is "world media" - or that there's such a thing at all - is naive. Even if Twitter wants to be "world media" instead of "US media" they wouldn't win that battle if push came to shove; and someone not in the US should probably be well aware of both the number of people with US interests making decisions at Twitter and whatever local additional restrictions are in place. US content is already censored from a lot of other country media, which I think is understandable.
- 4y ago
anigbrowl 4y ago
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.

partiallypro 4y ago

I was wondering why I had a sudden mass influx of Russian accounts into my For You.