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Since the US don't extradite even for serious offences You can probably just ignore it and be tried in absentia if caught and prosecuted. You'll have to join t

Since the US don't extradite even for serious offences You can probably just ignore it and be tried in absentia if caught and prosecuted. You'll have to join the 66% of your countrymen who can't travel abroad however.

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ledauphin 4y ago
this is an interesting statistic. I'd love to have a reference!
- killjoywashere 4y ago
  Seems there are some stats running around about the number of US citizens who hold passports. https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning-a-passport/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning...
- pacaro 4y ago
  https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021... Apparently only 37% of Americans have a valid current passport
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Even assuming that includes passport cards for Canada/Mexico, unless someone lives near the border, an international trip is a relatively big deal for a lot of families. The US is big and has a lot of variety for travel. It's really not surprising that a (sizable) minority don't have near-term plans to travel internationally.
    - pacaro 4y ago
      Absolutely agree. The socio-economic breakdown of the research backs this up. It's very strongly correlated with household income
drstewart 4y ago
Can't is a strong word to use word for people who opt not to have a passport. I'd use that same logic to then say 99.9% of Europeans can't travel abroad since they don't have a valid airline ticket in their possession. If your response is "well they can just get one!" then maybe you should rethink your argument.
- Woeps 4y ago
  Funnily enough you can go to most countries in the EU without a passport or a airline ticket if you're European. (you only need an ID card) But I digress and think you're right. Probably lots of people simple don't need/want a passport to travel outside of the US. Otherwise they would have had one
  - RamblingCTO 4y ago
    you might not even need an ID practically, just legally. I've never been checked at borders or whatever in Europe. Not even when flying to Madeira or exiting/entering the Geneva airport, which is not EU.
- Lio 4y ago
  You're assuming you need a valid airline ticket to travel abroad in Europe, you don't. It's perfectly possible to travel abroad in Europe without any form of ticket. You can just drive, walk, cycle or sail and many people do regularly.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    They’re explicitly not making that point. They’re in fact arguing that “can’t” is a weird choice of word for which the post they’re responding to has drawn an extremely arbitrary line. If anything, you and (at the moment) all of your siblings are helping explain just how arbitrary the line is.
  - ta1243 4y ago
    Is it not possible to drive, walk, cycle or sail from the US to Canada or Mexico?
jcranmer 4y ago
Traveling internationally from the US is a major trip in a way that it's just not in the EU. From Edinburgh, you can reach 9 foreign countries in 1000 km: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, and Ireland. That's on the edge of Europe! If you're in Vienna, it's a whopping 31: Denmark, Sweden, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Czechia, Switzerland, Slovakia, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican City, Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Hungary, with Turkey and the UK juuuust out of reach. From the US, if you live in Miami, a whopping four countries are within 1000 km: Cuba, Bahamas, Jamaica, and the UK (via its offshore islands). For most of the US, it's just one--either Canada or Mexico. Only if you're in Puerto Rico can you access a large number of countries in a short distance, and that's mostly because almost every Antilles island is a different independent country. Or another way of putting it, in the distance it takes to get from the third largest city in the US (Chicago) to the largest (New York), it is hard to find a straight line in even the largest European countries that keeps you in the country!

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ledauphin 4y ago

this is an interesting statistic. I'd love to have a reference!

killjoywashere 4y ago
Seems there are some stats running around about the number of US citizens who hold passports. https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning-a-passport/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning...
pacaro 4y ago
https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021... Apparently only 37% of Americans have a valid current passport
- ghaff 4y ago
  Even assuming that includes passport cards for Canada/Mexico, unless someone lives near the border, an international trip is a relatively big deal for a lot of families. The US is big and has a lot of variety for travel. It's really not surprising that a (sizable) minority don't have near-term plans to travel internationally.
  - pacaro 4y ago
    Absolutely agree. The socio-economic breakdown of the research backs this up. It's very strongly correlated with household income

drstewart 4y ago

Can't is a strong word to use word for people who opt not to have a passport. I'd use that same logic to then say 99.9% of Europeans can't travel abroad since they don't have a valid airline ticket in their possession. If your response is "well they can just get one!" then maybe you should rethink your argument.

Woeps 4y ago
Funnily enough you can go to most countries in the EU without a passport or a airline ticket if you're European. (you only need an ID card) But I digress and think you're right. Probably lots of people simple don't need/want a passport to travel outside of the US. Otherwise they would have had one
- RamblingCTO 4y ago
  you might not even need an ID practically, just legally. I've never been checked at borders or whatever in Europe. Not even when flying to Madeira or exiting/entering the Geneva airport, which is not EU.
Lio 4y ago
You're assuming you need a valid airline ticket to travel abroad in Europe, you don't. It's perfectly possible to travel abroad in Europe without any form of ticket. You can just drive, walk, cycle or sail and many people do regularly.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  They’re explicitly not making that point. They’re in fact arguing that “can’t” is a weird choice of word for which the post they’re responding to has drawn an extremely arbitrary line. If anything, you and (at the moment) all of your siblings are helping explain just how arbitrary the line is.
- ta1243 4y ago
  Is it not possible to drive, walk, cycle or sail from the US to Canada or Mexico?

jcranmer 4y ago

Traveling internationally from the US is a major trip in a way that it's just not in the EU. From Edinburgh, you can reach 9 foreign countries in 1000 km: Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, and Ireland. That's on the edge of Europe! If you're in Vienna, it's a whopping 31: Denmark, Sweden, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Czechia, Switzerland, Slovakia, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican City, Slovenia, Croatia, Northern Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Hungary, with Turkey and the UK juuuust out of reach. From the US, if you live in Miami, a whopping four countries are within 1000 km: Cuba, Bahamas, Jamaica, and the UK (via its offshore islands). For most of the US, it's just one--either Canada or Mexico. Only if you're in Puerto Rico can you access a large number of countries in a short distance, and that's mostly because almost every Antilles island is a different independent country. Or another way of putting it, in the distance it takes to get from the third largest city in the US (Chicago) to the largest (New York), it is hard to find a straight line in even the largest European countries that keeps you in the country!