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> Crown copyright and database rights 2023. Do i, as a US citizen, have to respect Crown Copyright? I mean, the USA originated in a revolt against that very sa

> Crown copyright and database rights 2023. Do i, as a US citizen, have to respect Crown Copyright? I mean, the USA originated in a revolt against that very same crown. The USA is by constitution and temperament forbidden from giving out titles and such. We respect free markets, content creators and their successors in interest here.

lljk_kennedy 4y ago
Technically, legal proceedings could be taken against you in the UK. Realistically - most of the stuff covered by Crown Copyright falls under the Open Government License and is free to use once attributed. https://www.cla.co.uk/crown-copyright https://www.cla.co.uk/crown-copyright https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-lice...
matthews2 4y ago
The United States is party to the Berne Convention, so yes.
bigdollopenergy 4y ago
In as much as anyone has to respect the copyright coming from any jurisdiction they are not in. Which for the most of the world generally means that, yes, you do have to respect it. It being the UK and your historical reasoning isn't very relevant. One of the main things that allows global trade to happen as freely as it does, is countries cooperating so that copyright can be legally enforced across them. The resulting court cases are likely to be less actionable if you have no presence there, but you can be sued in that country for breach of copyright and have a judgement placed upon you. It's bilateral, a Brit may wonder the same thing about the US or any other country and the answer would be the same.
- InCityDreams 4y ago
  The Pirate Bay disagrees. They rather splendidly told the usa to gtfo, as did kim dotcom. Ymmv.
Doctor_Fegg 4y ago
> We respect free markets, content creators That’s awesome. Please respect the content creators at the Ordnance Survey then.
swarnie 4y ago
Since the US don't extradite even for serious offences You can probably just ignore it and be tried in absentia if caught and prosecuted. You'll have to join the 66% of your countrymen who can't travel abroad however.
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- ledauphin 4y ago
  this is an interesting statistic. I'd love to have a reference!
  - killjoywashere 4y ago
    Seems there are some stats running around about the number of US citizens who hold passports. https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning-a-passport/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning...
  - pacaro 4y ago
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021... Apparently only 37% of Americans have a valid current passport
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Even assuming that includes passport cards for Canada/Mexico, unless someone lives near the border, an international trip is a relatively big deal for a lot of families. The US is big and has a lot of variety for travel. It's really not surprising that a (sizable) minority don't have near-term plans to travel internationally.
      - pacaro 4y ago
        Absolutely agree. The socio-economic breakdown of the research backs this up. It's very strongly correlated with household income
Woeps 4y ago
Uhm, kinda, it depends. Overall Copyright is all mushed together under some kind of global agreement right? Because must I remind you, of your post of an hour ago: "property rights are paramount." ;)
Veen 4y ago
The Crown isn't really the monarchy when used in this sense and it doesn't have much to do with titles and such. It's a synecdoche used to refer to the UK government (and the governments of some commonwealth countries). Crown Copyright is the copyright the government holds in the material it creates. In this case, the Ordnance Survey, which is a UK government agency. Whether you have to respect that copyright is a different matter, although it may be unwise to use Ordnance Survey mapping data for commercial purposes without a license.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > The Crown isn't really the monarchy when used in this sense and it doesn't have much to do with titles and such. It's a synecdoche used to refer to the UK government That’s also the Crown the US was revolting against, so...
eertami 4y ago
I think it's actually the US which is more likely to take issue with you for breaking the copyright, than the UK would. Considering the US publishes an annual report on copyright/IP rights enforcement about it's trading partners that it deems to be insufficient[0]. [0]: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR-2016-Special-301-Report.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR-2016-Special-301-R...
dukeyukey 4y ago
No need to be edgy. Crown copyright is just the phrase used for copyright created when the UK (And Canada, and Australia, and others) create copyrighted content. It's nothing special.

lljk_kennedy 4y ago

Technically, legal proceedings could be taken against you in the UK. Realistically - most of the stuff covered by Crown Copyright falls under the Open Government License and is free to use once attributed. https://www.cla.co.uk/crown-copyright https://www.cla.co.uk/crown-copyright https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-lice...

matthews2 4y ago

The United States is party to the Berne Convention, so yes.

bigdollopenergy 4y ago

In as much as anyone has to respect the copyright coming from any jurisdiction they are not in. Which for the most of the world generally means that, yes, you do have to respect it. It being the UK and your historical reasoning isn't very relevant. One of the main things that allows global trade to happen as freely as it does, is countries cooperating so that copyright can be legally enforced across them. The resulting court cases are likely to be less actionable if you have no presence there, but you can be sued in that country for breach of copyright and have a judgement placed upon you. It's bilateral, a Brit may wonder the same thing about the US or any other country and the answer would be the same.

InCityDreams 4y ago
The Pirate Bay disagrees. They rather splendidly told the usa to gtfo, as did kim dotcom. Ymmv.

Doctor_Fegg 4y ago

> We respect free markets, content creators That’s awesome. Please respect the content creators at the Ordnance Survey then.

swarnie 4y ago

Since the US don't extradite even for serious offences You can probably just ignore it and be tried in absentia if caught and prosecuted. You'll have to join the 66% of your countrymen who can't travel abroad however.

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ledauphin 4y ago
this is an interesting statistic. I'd love to have a reference!
- killjoywashere 4y ago
  Seems there are some stats running around about the number of US citizens who hold passports. https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning-a-passport/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/804430/us-citzens-owning...
- pacaro 4y ago
  https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021/04/21/only-one-third-americans-have-valid-us-passport https://today.yougov.com/topics/travel/articles-reports/2021... Apparently only 37% of Americans have a valid current passport
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Even assuming that includes passport cards for Canada/Mexico, unless someone lives near the border, an international trip is a relatively big deal for a lot of families. The US is big and has a lot of variety for travel. It's really not surprising that a (sizable) minority don't have near-term plans to travel internationally.
    - pacaro 4y ago
      Absolutely agree. The socio-economic breakdown of the research backs this up. It's very strongly correlated with household income

Woeps 4y ago

Uhm, kinda, it depends. Overall Copyright is all mushed together under some kind of global agreement right? Because must I remind you, of your post of an hour ago: "property rights are paramount." ;)

Veen 4y ago

The Crown isn't really the monarchy when used in this sense and it doesn't have much to do with titles and such. It's a synecdoche used to refer to the UK government (and the governments of some commonwealth countries). Crown Copyright is the copyright the government holds in the material it creates. In this case, the Ordnance Survey, which is a UK government agency. Whether you have to respect that copyright is a different matter, although it may be unwise to use Ordnance Survey mapping data for commercial purposes without a license.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> The Crown isn't really the monarchy when used in this sense and it doesn't have much to do with titles and such. It's a synecdoche used to refer to the UK government That’s also the Crown the US was revolting against, so...

eertami 4y ago

I think it's actually the US which is more likely to take issue with you for breaking the copyright, than the UK would. Considering the US publishes an annual report on copyright/IP rights enforcement about it's trading partners that it deems to be insufficient[0]. [0]: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR-2016-Special-301-Report.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/USTR-2016-Special-301-R...

dukeyukey 4y ago

No need to be edgy. Crown copyright is just the phrase used for copyright created when the UK (And Canada, and Australia, and others) create copyrighted content. It's nothing special.