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> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry What?

by nix0n 4y ago

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
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- wittenbunk 4y ago
  The other comment was pointing out that ToF has nothing to do with drowsiness/alcohol detection.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    Let me go ahead and be first to tell you that there is the stated reason, the real one, and the “well, now that we have it” downstream. Cameras AND ToF for the driver are coming. Only idiots will want it.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      > Cameras AND ToF for the driver are coming. Why do I care about "AND ToF"? Okay, it can detect the depth of my nose 5% more accurately. What difference does that make?
- itronitron 4y ago
  Department Of Transportation?
- sorenjan 4y ago
  From 7 July 2024 these rules will apply in the EU: For all road vehicles (i.e. cars, vans, trucks and buses): intelligent speed assistance, reversing detection with camera or sensors, attention warning in case of driver drowsiness or distraction, event data recorders as well as an emergency stop signal; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_4312 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... Apparently drowsy drivers account for about 100 000 crashes, 71 000 injuries and 1 550 fatalities each year in the US alone, and around 11 600 people died due to drunk drivers in the US in 2020. So to say that nobody was asking for it isn't really true, I think a substantial part of the families to those killed and injured people would prefer if cars contained some kind of obstacle for drunk or tired drivers.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    I think what the commenter probably meant was that nobody was asking for the solution to the problem to be spy cameras installed inside of vehicles.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    "drunk or tired" is quite a way of phrasing that if the drunk ones cause 88% of the combined fatalities and the cameras detect the tired ones...
    - sorenjan 4y ago
      Cameras can detect both, being drunk or drowsy or distracted share a lot of symptoms regarding eye movement etc. The important thing isn't why a driver is impaired, but detecting when they are. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.08978.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.08978.pdf https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-electric-suv-lidar-sensors-drunk-driving https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-elect...
- blackfawn 4y ago
  Is there any concern of additional eye fatigue w/ time-of-flight sensors? It's purely anecdotal but I was on a project that involved ToF sensors and and a couple on my desk pointed at me. After some time, I noticed my eyes hurt by the time I got home. The eye pain went away after I stopped having the ToF sensors pointed at my face all day.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    News to me. I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum, like 850-950nm or so and really light power ratings. I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.
    - nosianu 4y ago
      > I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum While I cannot give an exhaustive complete answer I think it is safe for me to at least mention that you don't need to be able to perceive it for it to have an impact. You don't perceive even a fraction of what impacts your body, from radiation to chemicals. The molecules still react to lots of other things that are not part of what the eye is supposed to sense. It's not like everything outside light of the human visual spectrum magically has zero impact and you, or the eye's components, are immune. Example: UV light. There also seems to be evidence of flickering lights, causing fatigue, even if you cannot see the flickering. > I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it. What did you do to find out? If you didn't research it, there would only be random chance for you to find out, accidentally reading a report or being told, plus paying attention and not filtering it out like what we do with the vast majority of what reaches us.
      - Firmwarrior 4y ago
        I've definitely felt the same thing when using a Kinect v2 to log into my windows computer a few years back I dunno if the iPhone's face sensor uses that tech, but it hasn't caused any problems that I noticed if so
- yardie 4y ago
  You're going to need to be specific because there is probably no less than 2 dozen 3-letter agencies who would want this level of access.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    Exactly my point. Pick any three letters, they probably want it.
    - InitialLastName 4y ago
      So your point is that you don't actually have any of the inside knowledge you were alluding to, you just have innuendo.
stronglikedan 4y ago
I think it means it just detects real time, but doesn't record or stream anything. Useful for drowsiness detection while driving, but not much else.
brandonagr2 4y ago
Likely attempting to refer to a camera that can see depth like an Xbox Kinect sensor, but no car I know of has such tech. Some manufacturers like GM use IR cameras looking at the driver because they can see through sunglasses https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-flight-camera-system-overview/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-...

> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry What?

by nix0n 4y ago

> Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry What?

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

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wittenbunk 4y ago
The other comment was pointing out that ToF has nothing to do with drowsiness/alcohol detection.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  Let me go ahead and be first to tell you that there is the stated reason, the real one, and the “well, now that we have it” downstream. Cameras AND ToF for the driver are coming. Only idiots will want it.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > Cameras AND ToF for the driver are coming. Why do I care about "AND ToF"? Okay, it can detect the depth of my nose 5% more accurately. What difference does that make?
itronitron 4y ago
Department Of Transportation?
sorenjan 4y ago
From 7 July 2024 these rules will apply in the EU: For all road vehicles (i.e. cars, vans, trucks and buses): intelligent speed assistance, reversing detection with camera or sensors, attention warning in case of driver drowsiness or distraction, event data recorders as well as an emergency stop signal; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_4312 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... Apparently drowsy drivers account for about 100 000 crashes, 71 000 injuries and 1 550 fatalities each year in the US alone, and around 11 600 people died due to drunk drivers in the US in 2020. So to say that nobody was asking for it isn't really true, I think a substantial part of the families to those killed and injured people would prefer if cars contained some kind of obstacle for drunk or tired drivers.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I think what the commenter probably meant was that nobody was asking for the solution to the problem to be spy cameras installed inside of vehicles.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  "drunk or tired" is quite a way of phrasing that if the drunk ones cause 88% of the combined fatalities and the cameras detect the tired ones...
  - sorenjan 4y ago
    Cameras can detect both, being drunk or drowsy or distracted share a lot of symptoms regarding eye movement etc. The important thing isn't why a driver is impaired, but detecting when they are. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.08978.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2301.08978.pdf https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-electric-suv-lidar-sensors-drunk-driving https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-elect...
blackfawn 4y ago
Is there any concern of additional eye fatigue w/ time-of-flight sensors? It's purely anecdotal but I was on a project that involved ToF sensors and and a couple on my desk pointed at me. After some time, I noticed my eyes hurt by the time I got home. The eye pain went away after I stopped having the ToF sensors pointed at my face all day.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  News to me. I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum, like 850-950nm or so and really light power ratings. I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it.
  - nosianu 4y ago
    > I thought that ToF was well outside of human spectrum While I cannot give an exhaustive complete answer I think it is safe for me to at least mention that you don't need to be able to perceive it for it to have an impact. You don't perceive even a fraction of what impacts your body, from radiation to chemicals. The molecules still react to lots of other things that are not part of what the eye is supposed to sense. It's not like everything outside light of the human visual spectrum magically has zero impact and you, or the eye's components, are immune. Example: UV light. There also seems to be evidence of flickering lights, causing fatigue, even if you cannot see the flickering. > I’ve never heard of anyone fatiguing from it. What did you do to find out? If you didn't research it, there would only be random chance for you to find out, accidentally reading a report or being told, plus paying attention and not filtering it out like what we do with the vast majority of what reaches us.
    - Firmwarrior 4y ago
      I've definitely felt the same thing when using a Kinect v2 to log into my windows computer a few years back I dunno if the iPhone's face sensor uses that tech, but it hasn't caused any problems that I noticed if so
yardie 4y ago
You're going to need to be specific because there is probably no less than 2 dozen 3-letter agencies who would want this level of access.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  Exactly my point. Pick any three letters, they probably want it.
  - InitialLastName 4y ago
    So your point is that you don't actually have any of the inside knowledge you were alluding to, you just have innuendo.

stronglikedan 4y ago

I think it means it just detects real time, but doesn't record or stream anything. Useful for drowsiness detection while driving, but not much else.

brandonagr2 4y ago

Likely attempting to refer to a camera that can see depth like an Xbox Kinect sensor, but no car I know of has such tech. Some manufacturers like GM use IR cameras looking at the driver because they can see through sunglasses https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-flight-camera-system-overview/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-...