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RAM’s New Electric Pickup Truck Aims for Battery Range of 500 Miles
- News-Dog 4y ago>the Ram 1500 REV, will offer a battery option that aims to deliver 500 miles in range >The Ram electric pickup, shown off at the New York auto show on Wednesday, is expected to go on sale in late 2024. Ram also plans to offer the pickup with a standard 350-mile range battery, and introduce a still-undisclosed variant at a later date, Archive: https://archive.is/oCnhv https://archive.is/oCnhv EDIT - ADD; Ram 1500 REV: Everything We Know About the EV Pickup With a 500-Mile Range : https://www.pcmag.com/news/ram-1500-rev-everything-we-know-about-the-ev-pickup-with-a-500-mile-range https://www.pcmag.com/news/ram-1500-rev-everything-we-know-a... Fat EVs may cause 'more death on our roads' – watchdog : https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/12/ev_weight_ntsb_death/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/12/ev_weight_ntsb_death/ [ 83 days ago - 1 comment ] : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34361909 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34361909
- sp332 4y agoIs this because they're having supply chain issues with other parts, and can't make more cars with smaller batteries?
- throwntoday 4y agoFord caught a lot of crap for saying the lightning started at $35k but it was/is impossible to find anything at that price. The only trims on sale were costing double that at dealers. These companies just don't have the ability to produce at the scale necessary to sell compelling low cost vehicles like Tesla. Remember Tesla built their own battery plants to do so.
- XorNot 4y agoDealer markups are also a thing though, and have been utterly crazy in the last few years.
- Animats 4y ago> Ford caught a lot of crap for saying the lightning started at $35k but it was/is impossible to find anything at that price. The only trims on sale were costing double that at dealers. That's a big problem across all of automotive right now. Wait until the recession hits. > Remember Tesla built their own battery plants to do so. Ford built their own city. [1] https://corporate.ford.com/operations/blue-oval-city.html https://corporate.ford.com/operations/blue-oval-city.html
- Waterluvian 4y agoMy dealer wants to buy my 3 year old Forester for the exact price I bought it at. I don’t think we can deduce anything sensible from the market right now.
- forgetfreeman 4y agoMy insurance company paid me $6k more than I paid for my last vehicle when I totaled it. I agree that there's a high level of irrationality in the new and used vehicle markets.
- Waterluvian 4y agoI’m not sure it’s irrational. It’s probably completely rational given the market. It’s just bizarre and very abnormal. Wow though. $6k above purchase. Did that immediately have to go into another comparable vehicle or could you walk away with it?
- forgetfreeman 4y agoOnce the insurance company pays out you can use the check to roll a bomber joint and smoke it for all they care, it's your money. Their business is concluded.
- mulmen 4y agoIt’s probably because pickup truck buyers are going to be the hardest sell for electrification because of range anxiety and general number chasing. Also they have room.
- clouddrover 4y agoPickup trucks are big and carry loads. They won't be very aerodynamic so to get decent range out of it you need a bigger battery. The Mercedes EQG SUV isn't very aerodynamic but then that's not the point of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC6Q4Fge3uE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC6Q4Fge3uE
- voisin 4y agoPlease simplify the exterior a la the Cybertruck. Modern trucks are ridiculous with their impractical, ornate, exteriors.
- berkle4455 4y agoThe Cybertruck is the ugliest vaporware since the Phantom gaming console.
- cphoover 4y agoIt would fit in just fine if we lived in a Minecraft world.
- antasvara 4y agoRam's goal is to get current truck buyers to buy an EV. That is not an easy task. Making the truck look entirely different from every other truck on the road isn't a great way to do that.
- Animats 4y ago> Ram's goal is to get current truck buyers to buy an EV. That is not an easy task. True. Especially since the Ram brand's thing is a bigger and higher hood than anybody else. You can't see anything at ground level closer than about 20 feet. In an electric, there's nothing under the hood, but there's still that huge hood up front.
- pengaru 4y ago> Please simplify the exterior a la the Cybertruck. Modern trucks are ridiculous with their impractical, ornate, exteriors. Imagine thinking the Cybertruck isn't ridiculous.
- XorNot 4y agoI still unironically love the shape of the Cybertruck, even if I think it probably won't be that great as a work truck (which would be why I buy it - have a cab-chassis ute now for general "put a half ton of gravel in the back" use). Like it's just so weird and different.
- Animats 4y agoHow much does it weigh? The electric Hummer passed 9000 pounds.
- grapescheesee 4y agoSaving the planet from overconsumption (emmisions) one giant EV at a time.
- edgefield 4y agoClearly EVs without policy changes aren’t going to move us toward a sustainable planet on any timeline that matters.
- DrBenCarson 4y agoWhat is the harm of large batteries if we completely decarbonize all energy production?
- oyashirochama 4y agoThe production of batteries is VERY toxic, its mostly hidden by deveoping country production and ignorance. Ironically the most toxic battery has the highest recycle rate and lithum batteries aren't exactly easy to recycle in comparison to lead acid.
- DrBenCarson 4y ago1. Toxicity doesn’t cause climate change. 2. With infinite energy we could neutralize that toxicity at no cost. Energy is the limiting factor for everything short of cattle.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y agoAnd even there you have animal feed production influenced by fertilizer, which consumes something between 1-3% of total energy via the Haber-Bosch process.
- brightball 4y agoJust give me an electric Durango with that type of range and I’ll be happy.
- edaemon 4y agoThey're accomplishing that range by using an enormous battery: 229 kWh. For reference a Tesla Model 3 Long Range has an 82 kWh battery. I imagine Stellantis is going to have some difficulty sourcing batteries at that scale.
- whoopdeepoo 4y agoElectric pickup trucks are an insanely priced novelty until they figure out towing performance.
- forgetfreeman 4y agoexcept they really aren't because the overwhelming majority of truck owners either never tow anything at all or limit their towing to utility class trailers that could just as easily be pulled by an Outback with a trailer hitch. Edit: To expand on this point even further, 1500/150 class trucks (the market niche most full sized truck owners inhabit and that these vehicles are targeted at) are complete bullshit for towing anyway. Hook up to anything heavier than a compact car on a tow dolly and you're begging to smoke the transmission.
- dopidopHN 4y agoCorrect, the rest of the world carry and tow stuff without those type of trucks just fine.
- jonathanberger 4y agoOne of the most surprising things about getting an EV four months ago has been how little range matters. Since you always leave home with a full tank and it’s rare to drive more than 150 miles in a typical day any range over that is money I’d rather save buying a smaller battery. The main place more range helps is with road trips. But even there I run into the human comfort limit before the range limit. My family needs food and restrooms more frequently than the battery needs charging. If I were to purchase an EV again I’d ignore range and focus more on other aspects.
- dmix 4y ago804km/charge is mostly a pissing contest at that point unless you have some other needs for the batteries. Even assuming it's a realistic number.
- seanmcdirmid 4y agoFor city driving this is true. Though I'm hesitating on some trips to eastern Oregon or Montana we've thought about, it would be easier if Tesla opened up its charging network to CSS EVs :).
- jayd16 4y agoThe daily commute is a solved use case. That said, extra range still helps reduce the amount of planning needed. If you end up spending a weekend at a friend's you can easily run out of charge and have to squeeze in a 30 minute errand or two.
- jandrewrogers 4y agoIn western rural areas of the US, which use trucks heavily, there is no such thing as a reliable 150 mile typical day. And at the common 80-90 miles per hour, 150 miles is not a particularly onerous commute so that kind of routine travel is pretty common. Unfortunately, you have to allow for road closures that incur 100 mile detours in your plans — accidents, weather, etc. That has happened to me many times in places where there is no charging station for a very long distance. Sure, for a city commute EV works great. If you routinely travel around the mountain west or similar, you’ll want an ICE if you value your safety. The variance in distance, travel time, and road conditions is quite high.
- cuu508 4y agoI wonder how these heavy vehicles will do in crashes with compact cars, and what safety rating they will have.
- matrix_overload 4y agoTo everyone being skeptical about whether you need that range, happy F-150 Lightning owner here. The rated range is only achievable if you set it to cruise at 65 mph through a level highway on a 60F day with no wind. In real world, that's never the case. You go 85 mph instead of 65, you lose 30% of the range. The temperature drops to 40-50F, you lose another 20%. You accelerate like you want a 4.0 second car to accelerate, you lose 1 mile of range each time you do that 0-60. You go up a mountain, you lose range. You go against the headwind, you lose range. You try towing a boat or an RV, well, don't even talk about the range to me. Realistically, winter driving around Seattle at reasonably fast speeds (not recklessly fast, but among the top 10% of drivers) gets you half the declared range. If you you are a contractor that only uses the truck to haul stuff to local job sites, you don't care about the battery at all. But if you want to occasionally go skiing, or take kids to a national park, or just go grab some craft beer from Portland, that 500 rated miles vs. 300 rated miles will easily make a difference between not having to worry about charge vs. nervously checking plugshare and trying to guestimate how much miles per kWh you will get in the current weather along that route in today's traffic.
- AwaAwa 4y agoWeird that no one wants to build a proper PHEV truck. I suppose hype based sales trump reality based ideas.