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a) I buy that; b) hmm; c) but then if there is only one master control, they'll just have one volume control to mess with, right?; d) I don't buy that & here
by valgaze 15y ago
a) I buy that;
b) hmm;
c) but then if there is only one master control, they'll just have one volume control to mess with, right?;
d) I don't buy that & here's why: are you really going to be listening to other tunes in the background while you're listening to a TED talk? For case 2, you can pause/mute the video (all I'm referring to is the volume control slider in embeds;
e) I agree 100% not to make any assumptions about potentially billions of users but with a main audio slider for their device I don't force them to mess with two volume sliders.
Besides desktops, I think about tablets/mobile phones, how often do you tweak the volume of the embed itself and not the audio for the entire device?
Bridge: You are spot-on that it should be a crime for auto-start on audio (I feel like a few jerks who tried the auto-playing "Congratulations, you just won a free iPod blah blah" will be eliminated quickly) but I think we can kill off the volume sliders (assuming no auto-start audio, easy pause/mute)
I'm still trying to see if there is a bullet-proof use case out there where it is essential to have a volume slider on an embedded item itself.
- valgaze 15y agoOk thought of one: main volume sliders are not super granular, usually 1 to 100, a 20 on the main one and a 30 on the embed doesn't necessarily correlate to a 50 on the main...
- fluxon 15y agoVolume controls are important, and should remain. To detail "d)": I frequently have 3 video/audio sources pending - a movie (which I'll interrupt), a podcast (which I'll speed through, and also interrupt), and a web flash video (alerted via tweet or email). Because their recorded average audio levels are all (wildly) different, for every type of media and content producer, each player's audio level is different, but fixed for the current selected media. So, the embedded web video had _better_ have a volume control, or I'm going to be annoyed, because I _don't_ want to be continually adjusting the system master volume control just because I'm pausing, unpausing various media sources. It's an _action minimization_ thing. For my smartphone, I'm forced to adjust the main volume control when switching media, and I dislike having to do that so much that it tends to make me _not use_ my phone as a media player.
- Jacquass12321 15y agoI also normally have 3-4 sound sources during normal home computer use, all at different volume levels so they self prioritize. I'm not sure what the gain would be for removing the sliders when they serve a perfectly valid function. What benefit do you see from removing volume sliders?