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Can someone succinctly and definitively explain why everyone wants Twitter to fail? It's a beat to death news headline at this point.

cubefox 4y ago
Journalists dislike Musk, so they write articles biased against him, so most everyone dislikes Musk, including Twitter.
s4n1ty 4y ago
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adamrezich 4y ago
"I don't like Elon Musk and it frustrates me that he managed to purchase Twitter even though everyone in my bubble told me it wouldn't happen and/or that the process of doing so would bankrupt him, and neither of those things ended up happening" optionally, additionally: "also I liked Twitter better when only celebrities and friends of people who worked at Twitter could be Verified, because I was one of those friends, and I was Verified just like the celebrities, but the unwashed masses weren't, and that made me feel important and good about myself, and now that said unwashed masses can pay a nominal fee to become Verified, and Twitter is phasing out the older, unpaid Verified accounts, I'm going to take my ball and leave, because feeling more important than most people was a chief reason for me to use the platform to begin with. now come join me in moving over to $NEW_SOCIAL_FEED_APP and follow me there—where, you'll notice, my profile once again has an exclusive Verified badge of some sort, setting me apart from you, the unwashed masses."
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  I don't like elon musk and I do think it is bad that a rich person can buy an entire platform widely used for public discussion because they don't like how it's being used. You're having fun mocking it but I don't think there's anything particularly inconsistent or outrageous about this position. Musk is annoying and hangs out with shitty annoying people, now shitty annoying people are more prevalent on twitter. The changes he's made to timeline, presentation, letting the white nationalists back on make it actively worse for me, in ways it wasn't before. None of these are preposterous preferences my man.
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    Maybe, but it was already owned by private individuals.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      Do you think that's a useful insight here? My beef isn't with the nature of ownership, it's with the specific dynamics of this ownership. One single person is different from a group, and it being this specific individual is also highly relevant.
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    > None of these are preposterous preferences my man. sure, but at some point you have to separate your preferences from your objective analysis of whether or not something is going to fail, if you're conducting yourself in a manner that demands any amount of respect at all. it's very childish and naïve to "predict" that something you don't like (anymore) "will fail", and scramble to come up with as many disparate reasons as to why this is surely, definitively the case, all ex post facto, just because you don't like it. there's plenty of things that I don't like in the world that show no signs of failure or implosion or whatever anywhere on the horizon—why would I "predict" their "failure", just because I don't like them? if this article (and others like it) was titled something like "Here's Why Twitter Should Fail: Ten Reasons I Don't Like It Or Elon Musk Very Much At All And Wish Both Of Them Would Just Go Away Forever", then, well, that would be a bit more honest, wouldn't it?
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      Oh, yeah I guess. I don't want twitter to fail I just don't want it to suck more than it has to.
- mecha_ghidorah 4y ago
  Nah the reason I want twitter to die is I hate twitter and I think it has been a blight upon mankind. It is a bad platform for everything expect announcements/being a pseudo RSS feed yet people insist on using it for discourse and it's fucking stupid. I also don't like Musk but I wanted twitter to die for years before he had anything to do with it. I'm just excited and hopeful that he may eventually kill it
akkartik 4y ago
How can anyone explain everyone? Succinctly: I want Twitter to fail because Elon Musk violates contracts. A little more: If he gets away with it, more companies will fire employees without paying severance. Toilet paper is also a perk worth preserving.
Aeolun 4y ago
I don’t want Twitter to fail, I want Elon to fail. And I want him to fail because he’s been acting like an asshat ever since taking over.
DoreenMichele 4y ago
The world's formerly richest man has successfully flushed 25 Billion -- with a B -- dollars in value down the toilet in a mere six months. That's like real money even for the lifestyles of the rich and shameless set. I think a lot of people are sitting around with a bag of popcorn watching this debacle in hopes that just for once some rich jerk fails so hard, his money and powerful connections can't fix it, can't save face, can't let him fail upwards as usual. I think it's like a weirdo fantasy that maybe the rich and powerful will all learn their lesson by proxy if this goes up in flames bad enough. And failing that, it's schadenfreude for all the not billionaires who are just sick to death of money insulating the rich from the consequences of their actions which all too often seem to hurt anyone and everyone but them. /wild ass guess department
- kobalsky 4y ago
  where is this valuation coming from?
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    Elon Musk himself in an article dated March 26, 2023. Elon Musk Values Twitter at $20 Billion The billionaire bought the social media company for $44 billion in October and took it private. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/technology/elon-musk-twitter-value.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/technology/elon-musk-twit... I rounded up to 25 billion because it's been over a week. ;)

cubefox 4y ago

Journalists dislike Musk, so they write articles biased against him, so most everyone dislikes Musk, including Twitter.

s4n1ty 4y ago

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adamrezich 4y ago

"I don't like Elon Musk and it frustrates me that he managed to purchase Twitter even though everyone in my bubble told me it wouldn't happen and/or that the process of doing so would bankrupt him, and neither of those things ended up happening" optionally, additionally: "also I liked Twitter better when only celebrities and friends of people who worked at Twitter could be Verified, because I was one of those friends, and I was Verified just like the celebrities, but the unwashed masses weren't, and that made me feel important and good about myself, and now that said unwashed masses can pay a nominal fee to become Verified, and Twitter is phasing out the older, unpaid Verified accounts, I'm going to take my ball and leave, because feeling more important than most people was a chief reason for me to use the platform to begin with. now come join me in moving over to $NEW_SOCIAL_FEED_APP and follow me there—where, you'll notice, my profile once again has an exclusive Verified badge of some sort, setting me apart from you, the unwashed masses."

giraffe_lady 4y ago
I don't like elon musk and I do think it is bad that a rich person can buy an entire platform widely used for public discussion because they don't like how it's being used. You're having fun mocking it but I don't think there's anything particularly inconsistent or outrageous about this position. Musk is annoying and hangs out with shitty annoying people, now shitty annoying people are more prevalent on twitter. The changes he's made to timeline, presentation, letting the white nationalists back on make it actively worse for me, in ways it wasn't before. None of these are preposterous preferences my man.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  Maybe, but it was already owned by private individuals.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Do you think that's a useful insight here? My beef isn't with the nature of ownership, it's with the specific dynamics of this ownership. One single person is different from a group, and it being this specific individual is also highly relevant.
- adamrezich 4y ago
  > None of these are preposterous preferences my man. sure, but at some point you have to separate your preferences from your objective analysis of whether or not something is going to fail, if you're conducting yourself in a manner that demands any amount of respect at all. it's very childish and naïve to "predict" that something you don't like (anymore) "will fail", and scramble to come up with as many disparate reasons as to why this is surely, definitively the case, all ex post facto, just because you don't like it. there's plenty of things that I don't like in the world that show no signs of failure or implosion or whatever anywhere on the horizon—why would I "predict" their "failure", just because I don't like them? if this article (and others like it) was titled something like "Here's Why Twitter Should Fail: Ten Reasons I Don't Like It Or Elon Musk Very Much At All And Wish Both Of Them Would Just Go Away Forever", then, well, that would be a bit more honest, wouldn't it?
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Oh, yeah I guess. I don't want twitter to fail I just don't want it to suck more than it has to.
mecha_ghidorah 4y ago
Nah the reason I want twitter to die is I hate twitter and I think it has been a blight upon mankind. It is a bad platform for everything expect announcements/being a pseudo RSS feed yet people insist on using it for discourse and it's fucking stupid. I also don't like Musk but I wanted twitter to die for years before he had anything to do with it. I'm just excited and hopeful that he may eventually kill it

akkartik 4y ago

How can anyone explain everyone? Succinctly: I want Twitter to fail because Elon Musk violates contracts. A little more: If he gets away with it, more companies will fire employees without paying severance. Toilet paper is also a perk worth preserving.

Aeolun 4y ago

I don’t want Twitter to fail, I want Elon to fail. And I want him to fail because he’s been acting like an asshat ever since taking over.

DoreenMichele 4y ago

The world's formerly richest man has successfully flushed 25 Billion -- with a B -- dollars in value down the toilet in a mere six months. That's like real money even for the lifestyles of the rich and shameless set. I think a lot of people are sitting around with a bag of popcorn watching this debacle in hopes that just for once some rich jerk fails so hard, his money and powerful connections can't fix it, can't save face, can't let him fail upwards as usual. I think it's like a weirdo fantasy that maybe the rich and powerful will all learn their lesson by proxy if this goes up in flames bad enough. And failing that, it's schadenfreude for all the not billionaires who are just sick to death of money insulating the rich from the consequences of their actions which all too often seem to hurt anyone and everyone but them. /wild ass guess department

kobalsky 4y ago
where is this valuation coming from?
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  Elon Musk himself in an article dated March 26, 2023. Elon Musk Values Twitter at $20 Billion The billionaire bought the social media company for $44 billion in October and took it private. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/technology/elon-musk-twitter-value.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/26/technology/elon-musk-twit... I rounded up to 25 billion because it's been over a week. ;)