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As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy. Europe is a nicer place to live for now, but that’s more in spite of Europeans’ politics than becau
by profeaturo 4y ago
As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy. Europe is a nicer place to live for now, but that’s more in spite of Europeans’ politics than because of it. There’s no significant difference in thought between the typical American liberal progressive and his European counterpart. Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all diverse liberal democracies.
- Supermancho 4y ago> As long as what you learn complies with the regime idealogy This seems completely unconnected to the discussion, but ok. > Now that Europeans have sufficiently Americanized they’ll soon discover that the problems america faces now are in fact universal to all liberal democracies. I concede, this may be true.
- profeaturo 4y agoMy point is that you’re correct, there are in fact things to be learned, but many of those lessons violate the basic principles of modern progressive liberal society, and the moment one might even begin to consider those possibilities out loud, he’ll be immediately shut down as racist, misogynist, Christian, right wing extremist, etc.
- softjobs 4y agoNote: (neo)liberal != left. Just because the Democrats are called "the left" (or even "the far left" on Fox News), doesn't mean they are. Look at the policies they support; are they pro-worker, pro-single payer, anti-war, anti-imperialist? No. So not "the left". Regardless of what they themselves or anybody else calls them, what matters is what policies they concretely support.
- trafficante 4y agoThe modern atomized “far left” are the new Bible thumpers, except far more useful to the elite as their religious texts are fluid and ever-changing. They serve as arbiters of morality to keep the “normal” liberals in line and make certain the window of discussion never again approaches heretical talk of “nationalization” or “the 1%”. There’s still old school leftists around that strongly support the policies you described, but they’ve been essentially banished from the political sphere at even the metro level. Even the DSA has been nearly entirely co-opted by this quasi-religious garbage.
- softjobs 4y agoAs Christopher Hitchens would say, "Religion poisons everything." That is why the separation of church and state is vitally important.
- def_true_false 4y agoWant to have your mind blown? The systems Americans call single payer are not all the same. And it's not a silver bullet either. The rest of your talking points is a little out of date -- the country most openly diplaying its imperialist mindset and also the one currently engaged in an offensive war is Russia.
- softjobs 4y agoI'm talking about https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1976 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1976. I didn't say it would be a silver bullet, but it would be a large improvement over what we have now, and save money in the long run to boot. Your words indicate your knowledge of the Ukraine conflict is lacking. But believe what you want. https://www.thepostil.com/conflict-in-ukraine-genesis/ https://www.thepostil.com/conflict-in-ukraine-genesis/
- PixyMisa 4y ago> Look at the policies they support; are they pro-worker, pro-single payer, anti-war, anti-imperialist? No. Neither was Stalin.
- def_true_false 4y agoContrary to what some Americans think, Europe is not culturally homogeneous. The countries themselves tend to be, with some exceptions, but they do differ from each other, sometimes in significant ways.
- tormeh 4y agoThis is mostly true of the small European countries. The bigger ones like Germany, Spain or the UK have considerable internal tensions.